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Old 03-15-2020, 02:58 PM
 
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Malinche was a Mexican girl who actually went against her own people, and helped the Europeans Conquer Mexico. She taught herself Castilian so that she could speak it to conquistador men.
She married a Spanish conquistador Who Stayed with her and gave her some children until it was time for him to go to Spain and he left her back in Mexico.
Malinche was given to Cortez as a slave. She spoke the languages of the Aztec and Mayan people. Although she may have learned some Castilian, this was not the primary way in which intelligence was gathered.

Gonzal Guerrero, and a Franciscan friar by the name of Geronimo de Aguilar has been captured by the Mayans 9 years before Cortez arrive in Mexico. Both men are said to have been assimilated into the culture of their captors, and learned the Mayan language. The friar kept his Spanish and Catholic identity, as well as his priestly vows. Nevertheless, he had learned enough of the Mayan language, that he eventually served as a translator to Hernan Cortes via Malinche who could speak both languages.

Malinche could understand the Aztecs, and afterward, she would tell Aguilar what they said, who would then translate her intelligence to Cortez in Spanish. Cortez and Malinche eventually had a mixed-race son, named Martin. They are sometimes portrayed very romantically in paintings, but the best-known image is a fresco done in 1926 in Guadalajara by José Clemente Orozco which shows them naked not exhibiting any emotion with their son underfoot.




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Mexicans believe that they are all descendants of the Malinche. And in fact amongst intellectuals in Mexico it is very common to say Mexican people suffer from Malinchismo.
A well known protest song from the 1970s was sung by AMPARO OCHOA and is called the "Maldición de Malinche" or the curse of Malinche. The first half of the song is about the conquest, while the second half laments the fascination that the present day mixed race Mexicans have for European culture ("the blondes") which causes them to sell out their culture for baubles and leads them to denigrate the indigenous culture that is also part of their heritage.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m6l9KnglpI

AMPARO OCHOA is often compared with Joan Baez, but Amparo died at age 48.
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Old 04-23-2020, 10:55 PM
 
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Yeah...not sure why but people need to accept history and become stronger because of it. The USA or Canada don't go around blaming the UK for example. Those conquistadores stayed in Mexico and are what we call Mexicans today. Like it or not.

If anything, the indigenous and afromexican communities need to blame the Mexican Government for their continual suffering with continuing Institutional Racism. That's one thing I never understood about Mexicans. Great place and people but everyone but themselves are blamed. Let's remember, politicians come from our own societies, so maybe the problem is with our own societies where corruption is allowed. Trump comes about as a result of neoliberal policies, people got tired and decided to throw a grenade into the government. Except Trump was always and obviously a fake populist...and then there's AMLO. His true colours are showing...

This "Mande" thing...I really do wish Mexicans and other Latin Americans stop saying this. It's subservient and people have to have more respect for themselves. But this brings me back to the first point I made about the society and politicians blaming others instead of themselves for their current problems.

Just my two cents. It's more on the gaslighting AMLO did last year on this topic.
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Old 04-23-2020, 10:56 PM
 
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And yes..La Malinche was actually a slave of the Aztecs, as were her people. I would have done the same as her. She did not belong to the Aztec nation. There was no such thing as Mexico back then as we know it today so those people saying she betrayed Mexico need to go read some history books.
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Old 04-27-2020, 12:08 AM
 
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why speak the language of the conquistador?
The Comanches and Kiowas stopped the progression of Colonial Spain into Central Texas.
The Apaches and Navajos did so similarly in the area along the Mogollon Rim, Four Corners, and Gila Mountains. Those tribes were well aware of the practice of slavery and the scalp bounty system imposed by Colonial Spain and (later) Mexico.

Ironically, many of these "Mexicans" were part indigenous or even part West African or North African (Moors). The Spanish Casta was worse than the racism of white southerners of the Southeastern USA (e.g. White Anglo Saxon slave plantations) because they should have known better. Go figure.
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