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You are clueless if you think 1960's and 1970's NFL economics are even close to today's NFL economics. You are also clueless if you think Green Bay has always been a dominant team. After Bart Starr and before Brett Favre, Green Bay was an NFL outpost, who had to sell shares to the community so they would not be forced from Green Bay. Hell, until the mid-90's, they didn't even play all of their home games in Green Bay. In fact, between 1968 and 1991, when there was not a salary cap BTW, Green Bay had a total of 5 winning seasons and two playoff appearences; winning only one playoff game. Green Bay would become the Pittsburgh Pirates of the NFL if the salary cap dissappeared.
Yup and I know I'm bias but that would be sad. There is something cool about a team thats successful from a town of 100K people competing against the New Yorks, Chicago's and Houstons.
There DAMN sure IS something cool about it, you bet there is!
Good info here by Toxic Toast. And when you go back to the years PRECEDING the Vince Lombardi era, their won and loss records are even worse than the years Toxic Toast has for the years in the late 70's and the 80's. Much worse. In fact, in 1958, the year before the Lombardi era, they won one game the whole season. Yep, they were 1-11. In that game they barely nudged Philadelphia in the end, 38-35. And the attendance in those games were basically 25 to 30 thousand a game, be it Green Bay or Milwaukee. The last time they were a factor in the league was the late 30's-early 40's.
The whole thing about the cap in football works different compared to other sports.I'm a Steelers fan and we work the draft and do minimal free agent signings when it comes to the big names so a cap can only help us and hurt the Patriots,Giants,and other teams that just throw the money around.
That would be crap. I think the Packers have the smallest market in pro sports and there is no way they could compete with guys like Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder. The NFL is making tons of money, the players are WELL paid, yet they are getting greedy and this could hurt the sport. Why are they screwing something up that is working so well right now?
Because despite the excellent money that rookies and star players earn, the middle tier guys are getting screwed royally. There is a huge pay disparity in the league and a lot of veterans that suffer career ending injuries are left in the cold because they have no benefits and protections.
I largely blame this on Gene Upshaw. He'll go down as one of the biggest disasters in the history of the NFL.
Because despite the excellent money that rookies and star players earn, the middle tier guys are getting screwed royally. There is a huge pay disparity in the league and a lot of veterans that suffer career ending injuries are left in the cold because they have no benefits and protections.
I largely blame this on Gene Upshaw. He'll go down as one of the biggest disasters in the history of the NFL.
I completely agree with you it's nuts that unproven rookies get so much and established guys get scraps. Look at some of the busts who sign HUGE contracts only to play 2-3 years. Take the Lions who drafted Mike Williams and Charles Rodgers both huge busts but made a fortune.
If Dallas wins the super bowl and the NFL remains uncapped, this man is done watching the NFL. It's hard enough watching the Phillies compete with New York and Rutgers compete with schools that allow any good athlete with a GED into their school. When does hockey season start?
It's looking more and more like the 2010 season will go uncapped and who knows how many more seasons that will last. Am I the only one worried about the NFL turning into baseball, where only about 6 or 7 teams have a realistic shot at winning it all every year?
Because despite the excellent money that rookies and star players earn, the middle tier guys are getting screwed royally. There is a huge pay disparity in the league and a lot of veterans that suffer career ending injuries are left in the cold because they have no benefits and protections.
I largely blame this on Gene Upshaw. He'll go down as one of the biggest disasters in the history of the NFL.
The NBA faced this problem and solved it with fixed pay packages for rookies and still kept a cap in place. This is good in that there are no longer holdouts and bitter rookie negotiations while keeping each team able to financially compete with one another.
Going the route of no cap, like baseball, is dumb and will kill smaller market teams like it has in baseball. (Moneyball only goes so far).
10 years from now if it's the Giants, Cowboys and a few others always at the top and they are taking the Adrian Petersons and Cutlers etc. of the league away from the small markets (like in baseball) then I won't be watching much NFL anymore.
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