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Let's be realistic here. We're not talking about a couple denying someone housing, employment, food or needs and services. It's a baked good. The owners were polite about it and even offered to help them find another bakery. No one should have to fear for their life and property because they didn't want to violate their beliefs.
This just shows me once again the cold intolerance shown to Christians who dare take a stand for their faith. Oh but persecution against Christians doesn't exist in America, right?
For a guy that complains about persecution so much you sure seem to be down with Christians persecuting people merely for being gay. What is it about your religion that makes people so nasty and hateful towards others?
Consent argument is irrelevant. It is still a type of sexual orientation. Yes or no?
Possibly, but we have laws to protect minors from harm. There is no harm when adults consent to a relationship like there are when an adult has sex with a child.
And per the laws of our country, consent is very relevant.
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Then it's not a sexual orientation.
Yes it is it means that they are attracted to both sexes. Sexual orientation is about attraction. Heterosexuals are attracted to the opposite sex, homosexuals are attracted to the same sex, bisexuals are attracted to both sexes.
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Not buying it. If it is something so ingrained against your inner nature, you would not give it up to the opposite sex just because of peer pressure.
People hold their noses and do things that disgust them daily. I cleaned out the fridge today, I didn't want to and it makes me queasy to do it sometimes, but I still do it.
Of course. God loves gay people and they should be welcome in church. But if they openly and actively engage in sin, they should not be allowed to join the church. The same thing applies for someone committing an adultery. If he brought his lover to church and they tried to join, you can bet the church would forbid that too.
Everyone actively engages in sin, so that must mean that no one can be a member of a church. No one is perfect, not even you.
Of course. God loves gay people and they should be welcome in church. But if they openly and actively engage in sin, they should not be allowed to join the church. The same thing applies for someone committing an adultery. If he brought his lover to church and they tried to join, you can bet the church would forbid that too.
So then why are you so hung up on it? Let God do his/her/Its thing and focus on living your life.
Of course. God loves gay people and they should be welcome in church. But if they openly and actively engage in sin, they should not be allowed to join the church. The same thing applies for someone committing an adultery. If he brought his lover to church and they tried to join, you can bet the church would forbid that too.
To paraphrase the great Goucho--
I wouldn't join a cult that would have me as a member..
Is this an example of BIGOTRY or is it just simple DISCRIMINATION?
Curious-- What might Jesus do (not SAY) if confronted with a LGBT person? And justify it with an example from the bible.
Seems like every one of these threads always devolve into fundies and gay-rights supporters arguing whether or not homosexuality is a choice or not.
Fundies will never believe that homosexuality isn't a choice, no matter how much science comes out to debunk the belief that it is. After all, these are people who insist that the world was created in six literal days 6,000 years ago, that dinosaurs were on Noah's Ark, and that the Grand Canyon was created by a global flood. They believe homosexuality is a choice and the only way they can ever be convinced otherwise is if the issue hits close to home. NOTHING that can be said on City-Data will change their mind.
Regardless of whether or not its a choice, the LGBT community should not be discriminated against. Religion is a protected class and that is definitely a choice. Despite that being a choice, its still wrong in this country to discriminate against anybody for their religious belief. The same should be for the LGBT community.
God loves gay people and they should be welcome in church. But if they openly and actively engage in sin, they should not be allowed to join the church.
You sin.
Are YOU a member of a church?
Let's see. You believe God loves gay people. (I agree.) But you want churches to deny membership to people God loves. Do you have any idea how idiotic that sounds?
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Agreed, but weddings, along with baptisms, confirmations and/or puberty rites (Bar/bat Mitzvah) and funerals are, by definition, spiritual occasions, and at that point, the spiritual values of all participants, including what Ill call "commercial facilitators" ought to be respected.
Please don't drag out the usual lame excuses about businesses having a "duty" to serve all comers; a bakery, Invitation printer, (or a funeral home, for that matter) is not a "public accommodation in the same sense of a restaurant or hotel.
The "reasoning" used by the LGBT militants is not that far removed from that used by Nazis who clamed they "had a duty to obey orders" -- save for the fact that it's a much cheaper shot.
Under anti discrimition laws they are publix accommodations same as hotel or a grocery store. Where it is illegal to discriminate sexual orientation it does not say for only the bare essentials or only for places that are not possibly related to marriages. And the same people like Jeff who are for discrimination by businesses against SSM agrued for the government being able to disciminate against SSM if an elected offical was against them and I am not sure what is more public than a government office opened to the people.
As far as Nazis goes that it a very lame accustation and cannot see any reason to use it other than to demonize or dehumanize LBGT folks. Their crusade for equal rights is more like the civil rights movement than fascism and Nazism.
Weddings and funerals do not have to be spiritual if the couple getting married are not spirtual and the ceremony is not either.
If businesses want to be exempt from anti discrimination laws they should be made to put up signs so that those of us who do not wish to support those who discriminate know not to spend our money there.
Consent argument is irrelevant. It is still a type of sexual orientation. Yes or no?
Then it's not a sexual orientation.
Not buying it. If it is something so ingrained against your inner nature, you would not give it up to the opposite sex just because of peer pressure.
Well, which is it? Is sexual orientation ingrained or choice? First you said choice. Now you're implying it is ingrained.
We asked you earlier when you decided to be heterosexual, but you didn't answer. Somebody even asked if you tried other options to make sure you were making the right decision. How old were you when you decided you were only attracted to women?
Yes it is. Here's another example of vile, evil, hateful behavior. A man in AZ, driving along minding his own business, got caught up in a road blockade of a Trump rally. His landscaping truck, which had his company's phone number on the side, was shown on national TV. He had nothing to do with the protest or the blockade yet he got dozens of threatening calls from people. Many identified themselves as Trump supporters who said they were going to harm him and destroy his business.
So we can put landscape workers on the list of persecuted people.
Of course no one, least of all the fundamentalists who think fundamentalist cake makers who won't sell to gays are some kind of religious heroes, will start threads about landscape workers getting threatened and persecuted. Because the agenda of people like Jeff is to focus solely on their fellow fundamentalists who think they can pick and choose who can buy a cake. "You get a cake. You don't, 'cause your gay and I'm a special snowflake who thinks you are a sinner headed to hell."
The fundamentalist cake makers become martyrs. The guy in the landscape truck becomes one more victim of nasty loonies who think threatening people is a good idea.
Maybe Jeff would like to see true cruelty and discrimination:
A man who poured boiling water on a sleeping gay couple. But hey, as long as he says the Bible told him to do it, then he gets to be the poor Christian being discriminated against.
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