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Old 06-15-2018, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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It can be conclusively settled in one's own mind, after assessing the evidence - or lack thereof.

And where else does it matter?
It is ESSENTIAL to convert the obdurate!
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Old 06-15-2018, 04:31 PM
 
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I think it more about the validity of the person telling us about the bible.

The bible is very valid when taken in the context of what it means to be human.
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Old 06-15-2018, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Florida -
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Care to provide some of that 'verifiable evidence'?
Sure! -- I've written a 400-page book broken into 10 specific, verifiable proof segments - You are welcome to (freely) examine any of it on: ucanknowthetruth.com --- Honestly, there is an incredible amount of evidence available for anyone willing to examine it.

The thing that often amazes me is the number of people who simply 'parrot' the totally false notion that there is no hard, empirical evidence! -
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Old 06-15-2018, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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It's easier to slam it than man-up, clear the table, and approach it openly. The doubters and refusers take the easy way out, and then pat themselves on the back for their lack of effort. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

The validity of the Bible only comes through personal effort and exploration. It can't be shown externally, or spoon-fed to the lazy and the stubborn. Just like love, you can't read about it or be told about it, and expect to understand it. It doesn't get any simpler than that. Accept it on its terms, or move on.

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Old 06-15-2018, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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It's easier to slam it than man-up, clear the table, and approach it openly. The doubters and refusers take the easy way out, and then pat themselves on the back for their lack of effort. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

The validity of the Bible only comes through personal effort and exploration. It can't be shown externally, or spoon-fed to the lazy and the stubborn. Just like love, you can't read about it or be told about it, and expect to understand it. It doesn't get more basic or simpler than that.
You're talking about "emotional stuff". The thread is about "factual stuff".
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Old 06-15-2018, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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I'm not talking about emotional stuff. Not sure where you pulled that out of. There's very little emotion in my spiritual journey and experience.

Factual can come from experience, but only for the free of mind and the truly receptive. Don't gripe if you don't have the guts to explore it. You'll 'see' little with your 'eyes' firmly closed.

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Old 06-15-2018, 06:18 PM
 
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Just like love, you can't read about it or be told about it, and expect to understand it.
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Old 06-15-2018, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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You may not realize it, but in my view you just made my primary point for me.

Thanks!
Anytime.
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Old 06-15-2018, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I'm not talking about emotional stuff. Not sure where you pulled that out of. There's very little emotion in my spiritual journey and experience.

Factual can come from experience, but only for the free of mind and the truly receptive. Don't gripe if you don't have the guts to explore it. You'll 'see' little with your 'eyes' firmly closed.
Your thinking also validates psychics, fortune tellers, ghosts, poltergeists, and so on.
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Old 06-15-2018, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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Your thinking also validates psychics, fortune tellers, ghosts, poltergeists, and so on.
Yeah, uh huh, sure I guess that's the best you can do! LOL
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