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Sadly, the FAQ instantiates the very rationalization you use to claim there is a default for our ignorance while pretending you accept the fact that "We Do Not Know WHAT our Reality IS or IS NOT." Congratulations on your disingenuousness.
That's ridiculous. All the R&S moderators at that time put forth the efforts to make sure the FAQ used accepted dictionary definitions and was correct as far as any reasonable person could ascertain. (Incidentally, I don't believe Transponder was the primary author of the FAQ, although he did contribute to it.)
So far, you seem to be the only person that doesn't know what reality is. You don't need to brag about that in every single thread.
That's ridiculous. All the R&S moderators at that time put forth the efforts to make sure the FAQ used accepted dictionary definitions and was correct as far as any reasonable person could ascertain. (Incidentally, I don't believe Transponder was the primary author of the FAQ, although he did contribute to it.)
So far, you seem to be the only person that doesn't know what reality is. You don't need to brag about that in every single thread.
I see. So WHAT is it, mensa?? You do know what ontological means, right. If you know this mystery please explain it to me.
This is a typical reaction to the often irrational, contradictory, inconsistent, and absurd beliefs ABOUT God in the myriad religions. Sadly, using the mistaken or erroneous beliefs of others to decide whether or not God exists is NOT a reliable method.
Of course it is reliable (ish). If most gods are human inventions of the mind, that increases the probability all god claims are as well.
All you are doing is using the old apologetic of asserting a god exists and others are getting the attributes wrong.
Sadly, the FAQ instantiates the very rationalization you use to claim there is a default for our ignorance while pretending you accept the fact that "We Do Not Know WHAT our Reality IS or IS NOT." Congratulations on your disingenuousness.
The default is what we do know, it is not about our ignorance. Congratulations on YOUR disingenuousness.
We don't know 95%+ about our universe, atheism just jumps the gun.
No, atheism is based on the 5% that we do know. It is religion that jumps the gun and asserts things we have no evidence for, such as immaterial, intelligent beings.
And if we don't know 95%+, how do we know it is 95%+?
Of course it is reliable (ish). If most gods are human inventions of the mind, that increases the probability all god claims are as well.
Not remotely, and this is why you misuse Bayes. Your shallow understanding of the tools you use leads you astray.
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All you are doing is using the old apologetic of asserting a god exists and others are getting the attributes wrong.
Wrong. All I am using is the same evidence you do but acknowledging that we do not know WHAT we are assigning the evidence TO. We can only PRESUME what it is or is not because that is what it means when "We Do Not KNOW what it is."
No, atheism is based on the 5% that we do know. It is religion that jumps the gun and asserts things we have no evidence for, such as immaterial, intelligent beings.
And if we don't know 95%+, how do we know it is 95%+?
We don't know it, you are correct, i just listening to much smarter than I people of science that says so. they say that we just do not know, I agree.
We don't know 95%+ about our universe, atheism just jumps the gun.
You making the mistake that all atheist are in it for just deciding the descriptors/traits to assign the universe and thus form a belief. some people are here fighting Christianity and anything not that (no deity but something) is a strawman because it doesn't help that end.
The example I use is how cb, high, and I spoke. There was no real agenda past looking at what matches what we see. The conversations then focuses on the similarities.
here, this is about stopping religion (especially Christians) at all cost. Not for all of us, but enough of us that the noise is way to drowning. we just have some really scared atheist here.
Not remotely, and this is why you misuse Bayes. Your shallow understanding of the tools you use leads you astray. Wrong. All I am using is the same evidence you do but acknowledging that we do not know WHAT we are assigning the evidence TO. We can only PRESUME what it is or is not because that is what it means when "We Do Not KNOW what it is."
I know I said this, but it needs to be repeated a lot.
They understand it. They have consciously chosen to suppress any notion that a belief in "something" is irrational and has no evidence to fight religion. It is partly based on how very, over aggressive, thiest behave. I get that point, but its still not the best we can do.
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You making the mistake that all atheist are in it for just deciding the descriptors/traits to assign the universe and thus form a belief. some people are here fighting Christianity and anything not that (no deity but something) is a strawman because it doesn't help that end.
The example I use is how cb, high, and I spoke. There was no real agenda past looking at what matches what we see. The conversations then focuses on the similarities.
here, this is about stopping religion (especially Christians) at all cost. Not for all of us, but enough of us that the noise is way to drowning. we just have some really scared atheist here.
I think, it is much deeper than that. I studied activities of human societies.
I am a Gnostic, heretic, mainstream Christians would rather deal with atheism than Gnostic heresy.
Despite that, many Gnostics would see mainstream Christianity as allies (which I tend to agree with).
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