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Atheist are people who don't believe in God or spirits, and believes its is alright if other people believe but don't try to convert them would be offence .......... Humanist don't believe in God and it is an offence that anybody believes in God and some form a religion of help stop all forms of religion ..... Agnostics may believe in God but put their belief in a small box were believing may not be acquired.
Atheist are people who don't believe in God or spirits, and believes its is alright if other people believe but don't try to convert them would be offence ..........
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Originally Posted by hljc
Humanist don't believe in God and it is an offence that anybody believes in God and some form a religion of help stop all forms of religion .....
Humanism is independent of religion, one of it's most important people was Petrarch, a Christian.
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Agnostics may believe in God but puts their belief in a small box were believing may not be acquired.
Agnostics claim they have insufficient knowledge to make a claim, and every agnostic I have asked appears to have an allergy to saying what they believe.
Atheist are people who don't believe in God or spirits, and believes its is alright if other people believe but don't try to convert them would be offence .......... Humanist don't believe in God and it is an offence that anybody believes in God and some form a religion of help stop all forms of religion ..... Agnostics may believe in God but put their belief in a small box were believing may not be acquired.
really? so humanism is anti-religious and anti-god. that definitely sounds like a statement of belief about god defining them and thus it is very religious looking.
where I think agies go to far is saying we can't know. Those kinds are basing a belief on an unknown and that just isn't sound.
really? so humanism is anti-religious and anti-god. that definitely sounds like a statement of belief about god defining them and thus it is very religious looking.
where I think agies go to far is saying we can't know. Those kinds are basing a belief on an unknown and that just isn't sound.
My understanding is that there are Christian secular humanists, but they believe that society should be democratic rather than theocratic. It would be close enough to topic to go into.
Secular humanism, often simply referred to as humanism, is a philosophy or life stance that embraces human reason, secular ethics, and philosophical naturalism while specifically rejecting religious dogma, supernaturalism, and superstition as the basis of morality and decision making. It pops up on the 'net, but that is what I remember it being. Atheists tend to be secular humanists as a knock -on of making life - decisions ('Worldview' some might say) in the absence of a god - belief.
After a quick look it seems that secular humanism is unlikely to refuse to accept a Theist who approves their view of what society should be, but they seem to expect that god -believers won't be stuffing their post - box with membership applications, and religious comments on it seem to be those directed at atheists.
I have the distinct feeling that, just as atheists and 'agnostics' can be very cozy, sharing a sleeping bag, some kinds of theists and secular humanists could find they have a lot of the same aims and ideas about society. I would deplore utterly, for instance, if we had a secular humanist president, to have him say "No, I don't think that Christians should be regarded as citizens or patriots; this is a nation founded on secular principles".
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Activist atheism is the more visible kind. As you say. many just want to be left alone. Activist atheism is active only in seeing that the others are left alone to believe what they like - or not.
In what way do you see that others are forced to believe one way or the other? And how exactly do atheists come to aid them? Unless you are talking about the R&S universe, where i see you popping up to ‘defend’ someone or other, in what other world is this happening?
In what way do you see that others are forced to believe one way or the other? And how exactly do atheists come to aid them? Unless you are talking about the R&S universe, where i see you popping up to ‘defend’ someone or other, in what other world is this happening?
CHRISTIAN HISTORY INSTITUTE
Interview — Converting By the Sword
This issue, more than any other we've published, raises the awkward matter of forced conversions—"Be Christian or die.” There’s no sense in pretending this was an exceptional missionary tactic; for many centuries, it was the method of choice among Christian rulers and missionaries. The conversion of much of Europe and of Latin America is unimaginable without the sword. https://christianhistoryinstitute.or...g-by-the-sword
Wikipedia
Forced Conversion
Forced conversion is the adoption of a different religion or the adoption of irreligion under duress. Someone who has been forced to convert to a different religion or irreligion may continue, covertly, to adhere to the beliefs and practices which were originally held, while outwardly behaving as a convert. Crypto-Jews, crypto-Christians, crypto-Muslims and crypto-Pagans are historical examples of the latter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced...%20a%20convert.
In what way do you see that others are forced to believe one way or the other? And how exactly do atheists come to aid them? Unless you are talking about the R&S universe, where i see you popping up to ‘defend’ someone or other, in what other world is this happening?
The OP is correct. An atheist is someone who doesn't believe in a god or gods. For what it's worth, in the first few centuries of the common era the Romans considered Christians to be atheists because the Christians didn't believe in the pagan gods (pagan referring to non-Christian and non-Jewish gods).
CHRISTIAN HISTORY INSTITUTE
Interview — Converting By the Sword
This issue, more than any other we've published, raises the awkward matter of forced conversions—"Be Christian or die.” There’s no sense in pretending this was an exceptional missionary tactic; for many centuries, it was the method of choice among Christian rulers and missionaries. The conversion of much of Europe and of Latin America is unimaginable without the sword. https://christianhistoryinstitute.or...g-by-the-sword
Wikipedia
Forced Conversion
Forced conversion is the adoption of a different religion or the adoption of irreligion under duress. Someone who has been forced to convert to a different religion or irreligion may continue, covertly, to adhere to the beliefs and practices which were originally held, while outwardly behaving as a convert. Crypto-Jews, crypto-Christians, crypto-Muslims and crypto-Pagans are historical examples of the latter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced...%20a%20convert.
Atheist are people who don't believe in God or spirits, and believes its is alright if other people believe but don't try to convert them would be offence .......... Humanist don't believe in God and it is an offence that anybody believes in God and some form a religion of help stop all forms of religion ..... Agnostics may believe in God but put their belief in a small box were believing may not be acquired.
Wikipedia
Agnosticism
Agnosticism is the view that the existence of God, of the divine or the supernatural is unknown or unknowable. Another definition provided is the view that "human reason is incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify either the belief that God exists or the belief that God does not exist." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism
I openly refer to myself as an atheist. I have no belief in the existence of any god or gods. Do I know for an absolute certainty that no god or gods exist? I do not have the power necessary to know things for an absolute certainty. Does this acknowledgement not make me an agnostic?
Clearly, there is a good deal of common ground between atheism and agnosticism.
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