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Old 03-10-2022, 11:11 AM
 
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No it was not, as it destroyed said neighborhoods and largely without any input from the community, among other factors. That is why a lot of development now, which isn't under the guise of an Urban Renewal program by the way, is getting more input from the community or at least tries(so they say). Totally different cases.

https://inclusivehistorian.com/urban...loan%20program.
Yes, of course, they changed the name.

As far as community input, the mayor, and most all of city council are black. Are they discriminating against white input?


Regarding your link, I didn't see Rochester mentioned at all.
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Old 03-10-2022, 11:56 AM
 
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Yes, of course, they changed the name.

As far as community input, the mayor, and most all of city council are black. Are they discriminating against white input?


Regarding your link, I didn't see Rochester mentioned at all.
No, it is a different program affiliated with HUD, that's why.

That question doesn't make sense, as the community input is from those that live there. Meaning the actual neighborhood impacted. Meaning, something along the lines of this example in Syracuse: https://www.blueprint15.org/ It isn't perfect and there are some questions about the possibility of those that currently live there having a chance to come back, but it at least allegedly makes an attempt to engage the neighborhood.

The point of the link is to show what Urban Renewal actually was and what people usually refer to. that is along with examples of impact on communities.
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Old 03-10-2022, 01:01 PM
 
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It's a shame these people haven't learned how to turn lemons into lemonaide. We wouldn't be having any of these discussions if people would just learn how to survive on their own. As I've said many times before. There are far to many (mostly white) liberals writing books and articles blaming everyone BUT the individual.
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Old 03-10-2022, 02:08 PM
 
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It's a shame these people haven't learned how to turn lemons into lemonaide. We wouldn't be having any of these discussions if people would just learn how to survive on their own. As I've said many times before. There are far to many (mostly white) liberals writing books and articles blaming everyone BUT the individual.
You are missing the point...Perhaps we have to ask why not improve on what was there instead of destroying it, as you yourself have mentioned? Many had to "move on", because they had no choice.

Everything isn't about conservatives and liberals. Just look at the history for what it is and its impact. Then, consider what could be done. It looks like this is an example of how to mend Downtown with adjacent neighborhoods again.
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Old 03-10-2022, 04:02 PM
 
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No, it is a different program affiliated with HUD, that's why.

That question doesn't make sense, as the community input is from those that live there. Meaning the actual neighborhood impacted.
Meaning, something along the lines of this example in Syracuse: https://www.blueprint15.org/ It isn't perfect and there are some questions about the possibility of those that currently live there having a chance to come back, but it at least allegedly makes an attempt to engage the neighborhood.

The point of the link is to show what Urban Renewal actually was and what people usually refer to. that is along with examples of impact on communities.
Question.....are the people in the neighborhood, the ones that are asked for input, solely responsible for footing the bill for what they want, via "input", or are the residents of the county and state also helping to pay for these programs. No, I don't live within the city limits, but if I'm going to help funding these projects, I think that I should have some input, too..........
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Old 03-10-2022, 05:08 PM
 
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Question.....are the people in the neighborhood, the ones that are asked for input, solely responsible for footing the bill for what they want, via "input", or are the residents of the county and state also helping to pay for these programs. No, I don't live within the city limits, but if I'm going to help funding these projects, I think that I should have some input, too..........
Are you going to be directly impact by the changes though? I understand a need for your input, but are you going to deal with said changes on a day to day basis? Perhaps that is the question that needs to be asked as well. After all, many times people from said neighborhoods have hardly any say for things that may occur outside of the city, but still have to pay into as well. So, that can go both ways...
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Old 03-11-2022, 05:16 AM
 
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Are you going to be directly impact by the changes though? I understand a need for your input, but are you going to deal with said changes on a day to day basis? Perhaps that is the question that needs to be asked as well. After all, many times people from said neighborhoods have hardly any say for things that may occur outside of the city, but still have to pay into as well. So, that can go both ways...
If we're talking about roads and infrastructure that is in the public domain, then yes, I might, at some time, be in a position to make use of the proposed changes.
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Old 03-11-2022, 05:52 AM
 
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If we're talking about roads and infrastructure that is in the public domain, then yes, I might, at some time, be in a position to make use of the proposed changes.
I understand that, but again, are you going to be living in the way of the proposed highway and be able to deal with what comes with that? I would think direct, every day impact would take precedence over potential use. Especially when there are other routes that can be used.
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Old 03-12-2022, 07:38 AM
 
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I understand that, but again, are you going to be living in the way of the proposed highway and be able to deal with what comes with that? I would think direct, every day impact would take precedence over potential use. Especially when there are other routes that can be used.
What are these other routes, and won't that open another can of worms?
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Old 03-12-2022, 08:25 AM
 
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What are these other routes, and won't that open another can of worms?
I’m talking about the road grid that the city has, with streets/roads that go throughout the area.

Also, you have the ability to build up the real estate that the Loop occupies, which in turn could allow for people to live closer to work in/around Downtown. Meaning, the city can offer the ability for people to not be dependent on a car for everything, if they so desire.
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