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I disagree with the mayor's comments, saying that the Loop was built to help suburbanites get in and out of Rochester. How could it do THAT, if all the Loop did, was encircle downtown Rochester? Those dreaded suburbanites first had to enter the city, and drive to it's heart, before they could access the Loop.
Secondly, as I've already mentioned, in another discussion on this website, what about the "Can of Worms", and what was "torn up" to build that monstrous piece of highway engineering? For those who weren't around, when that was constructed, let me tell you that a very posh neighborhood was ripped up, in order to build it.
I'm pretty sure that the people who lived there, weren't excited about losing their elegant homes, and for the "survivors", the change in traffic, and most importantly, additional traffic noise, that they suddenly had land in their laps. However, they just took it in stride, and accepted it as the price of progress.
Bottom line, you can't turn back the clock. These "public projects", that suddenly seem to be major issues in 2022, were put in place 60-70 years ago, and made sense THEN. Rochester, as well as many other urban areas, have changed, over time.
I disagree with the mayor's comments, saying that the Loop was built to help suburbanites get in and out of Rochester. How could it do THAT, if all the Loop did, was encircle downtown Rochester? Those dreaded suburbanites first had to enter the city, and drive to it's heart, before they could access the Loop.
Secondly, as I've already mentioned, in another discussion on this website, what about the "Can of Worms", and what was "torn up" to build that monstrous piece of highway engineering? For those who weren't around, when that was constructed, let me tell you that a very posh neighborhood was ripped up, in order to build it.
I'm pretty sure that the people who lived there, weren't excited about losing their elegant homes, and for the "survivors", the change in traffic, and most importantly, additional traffic noise, that they suddenly had land in their laps. However, they just took it in stride, and accepted it as the price of progress.
Bottom line, you can't turn back the clock. These "public projects", that suddenly seem to be major issues in 2022, were put in place 60-70 years ago, and made sense THEN. Rochester, as well as many other urban areas, have changed, over time.
Yes, 490/ Inner Loop devastated the Corn Hill neighborhood, which was also known as "the ruffled shirt" district. Took out much of RIT/ Mechanics Institute too. Funny thing is, those two groups just adapted and rebuilt, while the others are still playing the blame game and waiting for someone else to fix things after 60 years.
Yes, 490/ Inner Loop devastated the Corn Hill neighborhood, which was also known as "the ruffled shirt" district. Took out much of RIT/ Mechanics Institute too. Funny thing is, those two groups just adapted and rebuilt, while the others are still playing the blame game and waiting for someone else to fix things after 60 years.
Actually, Corn Hill essentially was rebuilt differently than what it was, a predominantly black area that had a bunch of black businesses, in which many left. So, in that case, that isn’t true and is a great example of Urban Renewal that destroyed the business based of many urban predominantly or highly black communities. https://amp.democratandchronicle.com/amp/6454760001
RIT is an institution, which is totally different, as it can “move on†due to being a college.
Actually, Corn Hill essentially was rebuilt differently than what it was, a predominantly black area that had a bunch of black businesses, in which many left. So, in that case, that isn’t true and is a great example of Urban Renewal that destroyed the business based of many urban predominantly or highly black communities.
RIT is an institution, which is totally different, as it can “move on†due to being a college.
OK, what do you suggest that the civil engineers do, when it's determined that a new roadway is needed, to alleviate traffic congestion? AND, since most of this discussion centers around decisions that were deemed to make sense 60 years ago, how do you justify un-doing all of it today?
OK, what do you suggest that the civil engineers do, when it's determined that a new roadway is needed, to alleviate traffic congestion? AND, since most of this discussion centers around decisions that were deemed to make sense 60 years ago, how do you justify un-doing all of it today?
Read the article I add to the post. More people are looking to live in cities again and many cities want to expand their Downtown development footprint to adjacent neighborhoods in said cities. Rochester is no exception. Perhaps it is a matter of hindsight and the fact that there is a general pattern of those neighborhoods being highly black and with business districts that could have helped keep the build environment intact, let alone the positive economic impact for said community.
Also, think about it, there are no suburbs without Rochester and you want the city to be the “healthiest†version of itself, as that is what the area is built around.
What could of happened is to use rail right of ways like I-690 in Syracuse did. That way you aren’t destroying a neighborhood and you can get people in and out from the suburbs.
^For those that don't actually live in Rochester, look at the area on Google maps. Just north of the northern IL, there is the bus station, train station, old post office and a commercial area. It isn't until you get north of the RR that there is any residential, and the government destroyed that area with urban renewal. The government first destroyed the community in the 50's when they built the Hanover Houses (7 mid rise residential buildings). Then they tore them down and built suburban style apartments. Other than St Paul, the entire area between the RR and Upper Falls was leveled. Many huge warehouses too.
So if any damage was done to the neighborhood, look what the government itself did to the neighborhood long before the IL was built.
^For those that don't actually live in Rochester, look at the area on Google maps. Just north of the northern IL, there is the bus station, train station, old post office and a commercial area. It isn't until you get north of the RR that there is any residential, and the government destroyed that area with urban renewal. The government first destroyed the community in the 50's when they built the Hanover Houses (7 mid rise residential buildings). Then they tore them down and built suburban style apartments. Other than St Paul, the entire area between the RR and Upper Falls was leveled. Many huge warehouses too.
So if any damage was done to the neighborhood, look what the government itself did to the neighborhood long before the IL was built.
This is just confirming what the D&C article and I mentioned in terms of Urban Renewal then. All of this was a part of it.
Urban Renewal was THEN, and STILL is desired in most cities. Why complain about something that was welcomed when it was built?
No it was not, as it destroyed said neighborhoods and largely without any input from the community, among other factors. That is why a lot of development now, which isn't under the guise of an Urban Renewal program by the way, is getting more input from the community or at least tries(so they say). Totally different cases.
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