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Old 05-12-2013, 06:05 AM
 
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Unfortunate 'cause then the might want to stay and settle down. Then they'll start to whine and pt it down like someone who's been here, say, about 20 years or so.
Yeppers! So many who live in this region are from other parts of the country.
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Old 05-12-2013, 07:28 AM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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One flaw to the casino discussion, whether for or against it, is that thirteen gaming licenses statewide are currently maxed out. To bring a casino to Branson, you have to convince a casino to leave elsewhere in the state (and more importantly, decide not to move to Kansas City or St Louis if they are planning to leave their current location).
The only real opportunity to open a casino in Branson would be if one of the existing casinos closed. At that point, it becomes a competitive process for the open license, based on which proposal generates the most new GDP for the state. Last time this happened, in 2010 when the President closed in St Louis, the Cape Girardeau proposal won out. Not because it generated the most revenue (it actually generated the least of the three competing proposals), but because it did not cannibalize other casinos and so had the most new revenue. The Missouri Gaming Commission figures cannibalization based on a 30-mile radius. So, Branson would have the same edge that the Cape Girardeau proposal had, with the assumption that most of the revenue of a Branson casino would come from Springfield.

But, that cannot happen unless another Missouri casino closes. Right now, the state is at its cap of thirteen casinos.
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Old 05-12-2013, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Branson, Missouri
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One flaw to the casino discussion, whether for or against it, is that thirteen gaming licenses statewide are currently maxed out. To bring a casino to Branson, you have to convince a casino to leave elsewhere in the state (and more importantly, decide not to move to Kansas City or St Louis if they are planning to leave their current location).
The only real opportunity to open a casino in Branson would be if one of the existing casinos closed. At that point, it becomes a competitive process for the open license, based on which proposal generates the most new GDP for the state. Last time this happened, in 2010 when the President closed in St Louis, the Cape Girardeau proposal won out. Not because it generated the most revenue (it actually generated the least of the three competing proposals), but because it did not cannibalize other casinos and so had the most new revenue. The Missouri Gaming Commission figures cannibalization based on a 30-mile radius. So, Branson would have the same edge that the Cape Girardeau proposal had, with the assumption that most of the revenue of a Branson casino would come from Springfield.

But, that cannot happen unless another Missouri casino closes. Right now, the state is at its cap of thirteen casinos.
I would assume some of the people that would gamble in Branson would come from springfield, but don't forget there is a casino about an hour from Springfield right at the mo/oklahoma border. I think more people would come from Arkansas, because the closest one would be in hot springs. That would bring a lot of Arkansas folks up to gamble. They actually tried to get gambling right across the border from Branson this last year. Either way it would draw a ton of people from south central missouri and north central arkansas. NWA and SW mo would probably be more likely to go to downstream though.... or other closer casinos across the border in Oklahoma.
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Old 06-13-2013, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Not where you ever lived
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Many casinos are build on rivers. Owners make more moeny from lodging than gamblings because of the overhead. Great entertainment and loss slots sell liquor and loosen wallets.

Don't count Branson out yet. Taney is the fastest growing county in the state. Branson is the largest city in Taney County.
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Old 06-13-2013, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Plano, TX
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Guess the red states are just smarter than the blue ones. For as much as the blue ones waste being "progressive," the red ones might as well put to better use!
With the exception of California, NO they are not.
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Old 06-14-2013, 04:49 PM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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One flaw to the casino discussion, whether for or against it, is that thirteen gaming licenses statewide are currently maxed out. To bring a casino to Branson, you have to convince a casino to leave elsewhere in the state (and more importantly, decide not to move to Kansas City or St Louis if they are planning to leave their current location).
The only real opportunity to open a casino in Branson would be if one of the existing casinos closed. At that point, it becomes a competitive process for the open license, based on which proposal generates the most new GDP for the state. Last time this happened, in 2010 when the President closed in St Louis, the Cape Girardeau proposal won out. Not because it generated the most revenue (it actually generated the least of the three competing proposals), but because it did not cannibalize other casinos and so had the most new revenue. The Missouri Gaming Commission figures cannibalization based on a 30-mile radius. So, Branson would have the same edge that the Cape Girardeau proposal had, with the assumption that most of the revenue of a Branson casino would come from Springfield.

But, that cannot happen unless another Missouri casino closes. Right now, the state is at its cap of thirteen casinos.
I am not intimately familiar with the law, so please give me a pass if this is incorrect, but *if* Missouri will allow Native-American casinos this does not apply. Native-American property is not considered to be part of the state, it is a separate nation, so state and even federal law does not apply there. If Native-American casinos are allowed here, then all that has to be done is to deed a big chunk of land to the reservation and VIOLA! you have a casino. I know they were talking about doing this right off of highway 65 just across the Arkansas line toward Harrison, what happened with that, I don't know.

20yrsinBranson
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Old 06-14-2013, 06:19 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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I am not intimately familiar with the law, so please give me a pass if this is incorrect, but *if* Missouri will allow Native-American casinos this does not apply. Native-American property is not considered to be part of the state, it is a separate nation, so state and even federal law does not apply there. If Native-American casinos are allowed here, then all that has to be done is to deed a big chunk of land to the reservation and VIOLA! you have a casino. I know they were talking about doing this right off of highway 65 just across the Arkansas line toward Harrison, what happened with that, I don't know.

20yrsinBranson
There were two separate amendments to the AR Constitution proposed in 2012. The results of the people's votes were never tallied due to litigation which is a fancy way of saying they died!
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Old 06-14-2013, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Branson, Missouri
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Yes, I think they would have to be voted on by Boone county as well....if they wanted a casino in the county. They just recently voted to allow alcohol, so I dont know if the county would vote to allow a casino as well. I think there will be casinos in Omaha before Branson. They just failed to get enough signatures to get it on the 2012 ballot.
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Old 06-15-2013, 01:18 PM
 
Location: council bluffs IA
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Default casions and moving to Missouri

currently we live in council bluffs which has 3 casinos within about 2 miles of each other we are on the border along the missouri river and all the casinos do very well a lot of traffic come from nebraska which don't like them at all, there is a lot of money coming form the casinos into the city and they do a lot of good for us i don't see any more crime because of them, but location is everything, we have omaha and I-80 traffic which is what a casino needs to succeed Branson would not have the traffic to be successful, tourist traffic would not support them and local traffic only last for awhile and the pressure from the churches would get old in a hurry, Branson will have to just downsize and survive on what is available the age group that's visiting and has visited there is getting older and just not able to go like they used to, young people don't like the things Branson offers it's an older generation drawing and will not change, you don't want things that draw the younger crowd, most are trouble, step back and enjoy what you have relax and enjoy the smaller crowds just leave room for us when we move south to enjoy the less crowded peace and quiet,
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Old 06-15-2013, 10:24 PM
 
Location: in a pond with the other human scum
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I am not intimately familiar with the law, so please give me a pass if this is incorrect, but *if* Missouri will allow Native-American casinos this does not apply. Native-American property is not considered to be part of the state, it is a separate nation, so state and even federal law does not apply there. If Native-American casinos are allowed here, then all that has to be done is to deed a big chunk of land to the reservation and VIOLA! you have a casino. I know they were talking about doing this right off of highway 65 just across the Arkansas line toward Harrison, what happened with that, I don't know.

20yrsinBranson
There are no reservations in Missouri, and no tribes recognized by the state. Reservations were created as land deeded to a particular tribe (or sometimes 2-3) by the federal government, usually quite long ago-- with those deeds came the grant of sovereignty, which is the basis for the tribal casinos' existence.

Even if Missouri were to try to help create an Indian casino, the feds would stop it immediately. It's all governed by the federal Indian Gaming Regulatory Act.
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