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View Poll Results: Which one is more subtropical
Wellington, NZ 1 5.26%
Atlanta, GA 16 84.21%
Both in their way 2 10.53%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 19. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-18-2024, 07:47 PM
 
Location: New Zealand
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Originally Posted by Subtropical-is-temperate3 View Post
Come to Alabama, Georgia, or Florida pure sun burn in sunny days, even in winter I feel sun bite in the 3! Now that I think about it maybe I would not wear sweaters much often because in the time is summer in NZ it’s winter here, so being used to colder weather NZ will feel warm compared to winter.
I never got sunburn living in Singapore and Malaysia that I can remember, and like Alabama, Georgia, Florida, one can get sunburn here in winter, so there are factors at work other than than just latitude, imo.

You would just be like everyone else here in summer -acclimatised to the climate. No shortage of Americans around here, and they don't go around wearing sweaters all summer.
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Old 04-19-2024, 04:32 AM
 
Location: Northern Jutland, Denmark
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Dear Sandshark: where is "here"? It surely cannot be much warmer than Wellington? Which is of a summer temperature most reminiscent of that in Denmark.
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Old 04-19-2024, 05:09 AM
 
Location: New Zealand
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Dear Sandshark: where is "here"? It surely cannot be much warmer than Wellington? Which is of a summer temperature most reminiscent of that in Denmark.
Here is the northern South Island, about 150 km west of Wellington.

Colder than Wellington in all seasons, but regarded as a nicer and warmer climate than Wellington.

My viewpoint concerns the environment, as I see subtropical as a term as best pertaining to environment/ecology rather than climate - in that regard, Denmark relates more to Atlanta than Wellington.

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Old 04-19-2024, 08:08 AM
 
Location: St. Pete Beach, FL
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Here is the northern South Island, about 150 km west of Wellington.

Colder than Wellington in all seasons, but regarded as a nicer and warmer climate than Wellington.

My viewpoint concerns the environment, as I see subtropical as a term as best pertaining to environment/ecology rather than climate - in that regard, Denmark relates more to Atlanta than Wellington.
No Atlanta is different from both it can’t relate much to non.
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Old 04-19-2024, 08:14 AM
 
Location: St. Pete Beach, FL
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Atlanta’s ecology is subtropical, it is starting area of the native range of sabal minor. Amd the dormancy, the days it reaches 20°C or above in Atlanta’s winters bugs come out some flowers grow and it is interrupted, that does not happen in Denmark or NZ. NZ is constant in temperatures so dormancy is low and constant there, making growing season continue. Denmark is a complete other side of the climate zone of oceanic so it’s different, and NZ being lower latitude makes the environment different. Like Subtropical-is-temperate3 said, which I agree, climate classification describes broader climate, environment describes local climate. In the case of NZ the enviroment is not adapted to dormancy.
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Old 04-19-2024, 08:15 AM
 
Location: St. Pete Beach, FL
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I never got sunburn living in Singapore and Malaysia that I can remember, and like Alabama, Georgia, Florida, one can get sunburn here in winter, so there are factors at work other than than just latitude, imo.

You would just be like everyone else here in summer -acclimatised to the climate. No shortage of Americans around here, and they don't go around wearing sweaters all summer.
You should go to Myanmar bro, hell! Americans? What Americans? From the southeast? Don’t think so. Also remember that in NZ’s summer is winter in US, so no American will feel cold but rather warmth.
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Old 04-19-2024, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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Here is the northern South Island, about 150 km west of Wellington.

Colder than Wellington in all seasons, but regarded as a nicer and warmer climate than Wellington.

My viewpoint concerns the environment, as I see subtropical as a term as best pertaining to environment/ecology rather than climate - in that regard, Denmark relates more to Atlanta than Wellington.
I'm with you on a lot of these threads, but this seems like a stretch. Each of the three seem to be distinct, like the vertices of an equilateral triangle.
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Old 04-19-2024, 09:18 AM
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Location: St Simons Island, GA
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Atlanta has no winter.

Chicago has four seasons. Atlanta does not. It’s a 3 season climate.
Uh, no.

Atlanta's winter may be of shorter duration (Mid-December - Mid-March), but it's definitely there. It's normally characterized as being mild relative to the northeast US, with a couple of 'cold snaps' (usually caused by the 'Arctic Express' coming down from the Appalachians) matched by some Fall-like warm spells (usually in mid or late February). Warmer temperatures and the Spring blooms begin in earnest about mid-March, but in anticipation of the occasional rogue frost (less and less a possibility these days thanks to climate change) the average Atlantan holds off on planting annuals until mid-April.
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Old 04-19-2024, 11:31 AM
 
Location: St. Pete Beach, FL
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Uh, no.

Atlanta's winter may be of shorter duration (Mid-December - Mid-March), but it's definitely there. It's normally characterized as being mild relative to the northeast US, with a couple of 'cold snaps' (usually caused by the 'Arctic Express' coming down from the Appalachians) matched by some Fall-like warm spells (usually in mid or late February). Warmer temperatures and the Spring blooms begin in earnest about mid-March, but in anticipation of the occasional rogue frost (less and less a possibility these days thanks to climate change) the average Atlantan holds off on planting annuals until mid-April.
Northeast? What about Midwest, Minnesota is very very cold. People from Minnesota winters go to New England in winter and feel it mild. That is a real continental climate. Massachusetts is really just a bordering area of Cfa, Dfa, Cfb, Dfb the 4 bordering each other, and it is where the temperate and continental climates meet. In East Coast the northernmost city that qualifies as humid subtropical in probably Gloucester, MA, but it is practically cold in winter.
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Old 04-19-2024, 01:28 PM
 
Location: New Zealand
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You should go to Myanmar bro, hell! Americans? What Americans? From the southeast? Don’t think so. Also remember that in NZ’s summer is winter in US, so no American will feel cold but rather warmth.
You want names? Had a friend North Carolina and a neighbour from Florida, who both lived here, but would go back to the US at times.

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Atlanta’s ecology is subtropical, it is starting area of the native range of sabal minor. Amd the dormancy, the days it reaches 20°C or above in Atlanta’s winters bugs come out some flowers grow and it is interrupted, that does not happen in Denmark or NZ. NZ is constant in temperatures so dormancy is low and constant there, making growing season continue. Denmark is a complete other side of the climate zone of oceanic so it’s different, and NZ being lower latitude makes the environment different. Like Subtropical-is-temperate3 said, which I agree, climate classification describes broader climate, environment describes local climate. In the case of NZ the enviroment is not adapted to dormancy.
That also doesn't happen in Coffs Harbour, or Durban - so you are really saying that there isn't such a thing as a subtropical environment.


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I'm with you on a lot of these threads, but this seems like a stretch. Each of the three seem to be distinct, like the vertices of an equilateral triangle.
NZ is the one that is most distinct, with dormancy not a feature.

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