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Old 09-12-2016, 05:40 PM
 
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I have experience in both the public and private sector, and they're about the same. I have never worked at a job anywhere where at least one of my coworkers wasn't someone's brother, sister, son, cousin, or friend.
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Old 09-12-2016, 09:18 PM
 
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Let's play 20 questions. Did Walter288 get passed over for a promotion?
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Old 09-13-2016, 03:35 AM
 
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I came across this story and it just about made me sick! As if affirmative action weren't enough,
You just lost your credibility. AA has been a great help to encourage organizations to seek people to hire they would otherwise not make the effort to even find. And no, I've never seen anyone hired who was a minority who wasn't qualified for the job. But I guess it is easier to just make Trump-like statements than work on actual facts and how much AA has helped an entire generation of people.
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Old 09-13-2016, 04:48 AM
 
Location: broke leftist craphole Illizuela
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There I disagree. Hiring or not hiring someone because of their race is racism. Racism is deplorable.
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Old 09-13-2016, 07:01 AM
 
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I work in the public sector and we have a small number of family members who work for the agency. As a percentage of our worktorce it is about 2-3%.

However, a huge number of our applicants (10-20%) check the box on the employment applications saying that they do have a relative currently employed with us. Every time we have an opening, people send the info to their family and friends, so the applicant pool is a bit tilted, although not through any agency effort.

We interview fairly and most family members don't make the cut. Those that do are fully qualified.
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Old 09-13-2016, 03:49 PM
 
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You just lost your credibility. AA has been a great help to encourage organizations to seek people to hire they would otherwise not make the effort to even find. And no, I've never seen anyone hired who was a minority who wasn't qualified for the job. But I guess it is easier to just make Trump-like statements than work on actual facts and how much AA has helped an entire generation of people.
A. The person you were replying too was four years ago.


B. But, to your point, yes, I have seen unqualified and less qualified individuals hired because of it. While I've seen hires made for both racial and gender reasons, the most blatant was due to gender. "Is there a female on the list?" "Yes." "Hire her, then we don't have to waste time interviewing and no one can argue about the choice."
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Old 09-13-2016, 08:34 PM
 
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You just lost your credibility. AA has been a great help to encourage organizations to seek people to hire they would otherwise not make the effort to even find. And no, I've never seen anyone hired who was a minority who wasn't qualified for the job. But I guess it is easier to just make Trump-like statements than work on actual facts and how much AA has helped an entire generation of people.
But, you did not state "best qualified"...

Who do you want doing heart surgery on you; a person qualified for the job, or the person that was the best qualified? You do not need to answer.
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Old 09-13-2016, 09:02 PM
 
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But, you did not state "best qualified"...

Who do you want doing heart surgery on you; a person qualified for the job, or the person that was the best qualified? You do not need to answer.
The most "skilled" doctor maybe drunk... the best qualified would be the person that isn't and still qualified...

There are always exceptions to "best", and just like life, skill level is not the sole mean to judge qualifications
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Old 09-14-2016, 12:33 AM
 
Location: PNW
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Nepotism exists where I work (city government). But the only problem I have with it are the efforts that applicants waste in applying/interviewing for those jobs that have someone selected already.
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Old 09-14-2016, 01:15 AM
 
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You just lost your credibility. AA has been a great help to encourage organizations to seek people to hire they would otherwise not make the effort to even find. And no, I've never seen anyone hired who was a minority who wasn't qualified for the job. But I guess it is easier to just make Trump-like statements than work on actual facts and how much AA has helped an entire generation of people.
Exactly. Without affirmative action, people would hire those who they can "relate" to, and it generally correlates with those who come from the same background. I work for an employer that historically has very little diversity. We're talking less than 25%. So if 25% or less of the workforce is underrepresented minorities, the other 75% is white people. Pretty skewed numbers. Without affirmative action, that 75% would be even higher.
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