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deregulation sounds great to someone who hates "big gov" and believes in bogeymen. but the reality is regulation, red tape and its predictable application etc drives massive investment to our shores. Many companies list in the USA precisely because of our rule of law, strict regulations and the protections they provide. deregulation undermines that, and because much of the value is rooted in perception , Trump's words and unpredictability are a huge problem and may discourage external investment.
at least this is how it would seem to me. perhaps Trumps willingness to allow pollution and lower standards might drive new investment to offset the loses...
1. When did Trump say he is "willing to allow pollution"? Please provide a link to that speech or policy paper.
2. Rule of law does not mean unbridled regulation. Regulators are unelected and often go to extremes; legislators are elected and have to compromise and consider the impact on different interest groups.
3. If you have ever tried running a business, you would understand just how destructive regulations have been to our economy. Compliance, paperwork, and liability consume a vast percentage of a business's budget and time. Red tape kills small businesses, where the owner/manager may have to spend 10-20 hours a week on paperwork. It all costs money, which could have been better spent on hiring, on higher wages, and on investing into the business.
4. Overregulation has run our economy into the ground. $12/hour or $15/hour or even $20/hour is simply not enough wages to support a family and that is directly related to the baked-in high costs of everything--housing, medical care, transportation, food, etc.
5. Trump's announced policies are bringing investment back to the U.S. Even before he did anything, several major foreign corps. announced huge new plants and facilities in the U.S. Why? Because they perceive a sea change in U.S. attitudes toward business. With a businessman in the White House and a majority of Republicans in control of most states and the Congress, they expect a more business friendly climate here.
China's own cost basis is rising; the unlimited cheap labor source is drying up. In fact Chinese economists were quoted in the Wall Street Journal recently to say that if he can pass his business tax cuts, the center of manufacturing will shift from China to the U.S.
If we can achieve 3%, 4% or even 5% growth rates here, there will be plenty of money to pay for whatever pork the gov. wishes, plenty of jobs at high wages, and a renewed sense of national pride and wealth. Isn't that worthwhile?
Trump's words and unpredictability are a huge problem and may discourage external investment.
It is without a doubt that America will suffer greatly with the "Deregulation's" that is being promoted by Trump. America has been looked to as the 'Nations that Supports High Standards, and thanks to our Federal Government's Regulatory System" we have maintained even in the era of Global Industrial Expansion. It has been the influence of American Regulatory Governance that has been the driving force for other nations, especially China and all of the other SE Asian Nations investing and working to improve their Regulatory Standards and Safety Protections for Workers, as well as quality standards of Goods.
Those who support Deregulation, see only self centered greed aims, and are driven by their own desperation, until tragedy comes to their doorsteps and enter their homes.
Thank Goodness we have a Regulatory System of Government with the Standards to protect people from their own choice of ignorance and being led by the vanity of their own desperation's.
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Anti Regulatory Government Types should likely go live in a country that has no regulation, and be sure to give up your citizenship before you go, so there is no return, Then; when they find out what it is to live in a system without Government Regulations, live with it. Likely, such ones will be trying to slip across the border and come back as illegals, just to get to where there is a system of Regulatory Governance and Regulated Standards
1. When did Trump say he is "willing to allow pollution"? Please provide a link to that speech or policy paper.
2. Rule of law does not mean unbridled regulation. Regulators are unelected and often go to extremes; legislators are elected and have to compromise and consider the impact on different interest groups.
3. If you have ever tried running a business, you would understand just how destructive regulations have been to our economy. Compliance, paperwork, and liability consume a vast percentage of a business's budget and time. Red tape kills small businesses, where the owner/manager may have to spend 10-20 hours a week on paperwork. It all costs money, which could have been better spent on hiring, on higher wages, and on investing into the business.
4. Overregulation has run our economy into the ground. $12/hour or $15/hour or even $20/hour is simply not enough wages to support a family and that is directly related to the baked-in high costs of everything--housing, medical care, transportation, food, etc.
5. Trump's announced policies are bringing investment back to the U.S. Even before he did anything, several major foreign corps. announced huge new plants and facilities in the U.S. Why? Because they perceive a sea change in U.S. attitudes toward business. With a businessman in the White House and a majority of Republicans in control of most states and the Congress, they expect a more business friendly climate here.
China's own cost basis is rising; the unlimited cheap labor source is drying up. In fact Chinese economists were quoted in the Wall Street Journal recently to say that if he can pass his business tax cuts, the center of manufacturing will shift from China to the U.S.
If we can achieve 3%, 4% or even 5% growth rates here, there will be plenty of money to pay for whatever pork the gov. wishes, plenty of jobs at high wages, and a renewed sense of national pride and wealth. Isn't that worthwhile?
You are talking about yesterdays arguments by people who fought modernization. The same people who ran from one state to another trying to avoid modernization, and the more it catches up with them, the louder they complain. Some ran offshore and certainly had nothing to do with 'regulations", it had everything to do with "Chasing Slave Wage Labor" and trying to avoid paying the American People a Living Wage to meet with the rising standards of Cost In America. As a result, we see Corporations not functioning to be efficient and stable, but trying to "gobble up" and kill the competition, and create as much of a conglomerate Monopoly in as many categories as they think they can dominate market shares.
They are the killers of competition and result to be the killers of industry in America. THE SAME OLE GREED, THAT HAS ALWAYS DRIVEN AMERICAN INDUSTRIES INTO DEFAULT AND DEMISE.
People love to talk "Free Market", but that is a public fiction, the big corporations have no concern for Free Market when it comes to Competition, they want "Dominance" !!!!! Then they "dictate what is the market, what is the quality, standards and quantity of what is marketed and who markets it and who sells it. That is the destroyer of what is the concept of "Free Market" and "Fair Competition" and the Premise that support Capitalism.
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"GREED"... of which none of these entities, have stopped to respect the fact that, American Currency is a National Security Instrument of Exchange, People as Citizens and Employees is a National Security Basics within and of this Nation, and Free and Fair Markets, with NO MONOPOLIZATION is what keeps markets free, fair and competitive, and that is a Economic National Security Concern.
These are things people don't want to think deep enough to see, and blind themselves with drama until they don't understand the National Security Elements these represent, as well as they fail to understand, that is become methods and forms of Economic Treason against the nation, its people and its currency, as well as its Industry, when corporations violate and disregard these variable in lieu of greed chasing. The nation is more important than any single enterprising entity.
We now have Corporate Monopolization by Collusive Conglomerate Structures. Using systems of "housing themselves under banners of "Inc" of many types, all in the aim and effort to amass greater forces to fight against competition. Thus violating the element of "Fair Practice" and "The Ethics that Support Free Market Competition".
Most people don't even want to think in that context nor that expanse, so they get bulldozed over by the system that pay the suits and ties to buy away dissenting voice, and buy up political backing, to push this madness over on the "Unsuspecting American". As a result they have systematically devastated American Industry, which in turn damages, people as both citizen and employees, they damage communities, and cities suffer, as states become devastated, by the antic's of Corporate Abuse of every imaginable type, to and through to the extent of engaging in economic treason as the base principles against the principles that support the systems of the United States Economic and Industrial Structure and all that it involves... these entities and their manners of treasonous indulgences and their obsessiveness with nation and society defeating activities... driven by "greed" is worst than America being attacked and devastated by foreign powers. and it is being done by Vain and Greed American people, against America's General Public of the United States of America and against this nation as a economic sovereign nation. They have made us "economically weak and saddled with debt" while they hoard and amass fortunes and hide it around the world in offshore accounts, industrial and other means, that is not beneficial to America nor the people of this American nation.
It may be too late by the time the new generation can come alone and use their ability to think beyond short attention span, and being misled by the imagery of a business suit, and consumed and confused by the drama of political spin by bought and paid for politicians, who sell out the system of this nation for the pursuit of a campaign contribution. By the time the young can change to "national campaign financing", and become an adult population who can and do think beyond the surface, it may be too late for American to sustain itself to function as a stable nations that respects itself above the pursuit of greed and gaudy madness of greed's obsessive consumption.
We need not go into Protectionism, we simply need America be and have a Industrial System where it Mandates that principles that promote what is "Free Market" which is driven by Competition, in Fair Play, not "conglomerates, playing Let's Monopolize by structure and play power force games again competitors by group force against individuals entities. Our problems are "self generation" by the system of "greed teaching that started in overdrive mode, by the 1970's and by the 1980's we'd become a system of spin, bleed off, crash, and dispose of and run with the profits to repeat the process in any and every commodity and every market in America. That cycle has led to messes of "deregulation's" that led to destruction at every turn.
Saving and Loans were devastated and created one of the Nations Largest Bail Out's of its time, then the Crash of "conglomerate structured" Energy Manipulators like Enron, and the cycle of Crashes that took down massive volumes of industry and destroyed billions upon 10's and 100's of billions of value. Cumulative Result was more and more worker were displaced and left in shambles and cities devastated, and state economies in tatters.
The rise in homelessness took off like a rocket ship, and communities began to deteriorate, because people no longer made the income to maintain them, and we suffer an expanding ghetto all across American, and the Corporations as a result. Began to Pay executive in the 10's and 10's of millions a year for failure, and calming they have to support the investors. While the premise is the fleece the system, and over inflate the valuation, and then borrow against it, to pretend they are performing, thus saddling them with excessive debt, and blaming it on the cost of labor.
Who really wants to indulge the truths within the agenda of what is "deregulation" ? It is the game of the wealth, in this quest to dominate and blame their greed on anything and everything, to support their greed.. The wealthy have long known they can control the masses and make them stand against themselves time and time again, and has done so for generations upon generations; and here we are in the 21st Century, still being willingly hoodwinked and accepting it with a passion of devotion. It's one of the greatest mass insanity drives ever within the modern day America within the past 50 yrs.
They would roll back every regulatory program that helped them become what they are, when they no longer care to be that, they only care to "play stock ticker games" until it catches up with them, then they crash the company, liquidate the parts and seek out another target.
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So far as OSHA the regs are reviewed. While there are regs that are redundant and even some that make little sense, the vast majority of them (1910 std's) are necessary for one reason only. Until employers take safety seriously and are committed to injury reduction through hazards identification and abatement, someone has to watch out for the safety and health of America's workers.
Enter OSHA.
For every company that complains about OSHA, all they have to do is provide a workplace free from recognized hazards(general duty clause). This is step one. You'd be shocked to learn how many companies won't even do that.
Much work is hazardous, there is no way to make anything perfectly safe all of the time. You could trip over something in an office cubicle, or get hurt from worn tools. Things happen. Give OSHA all the power they've ever dreamed of, and it will still be the case. OSHA is not the great savior, although I'm sure it does some good. Review and repeal are necessary, but everyone before Trump was afraid to even touch it. It does no harm to look at volumes of regulations, and remove what is no longer necessary and help businesses cut costs.
Do you truly understand the "well, he did it, why can't I".... therefore, there is a necessity for "STANDARDS".
Now, we have a system where justifiable exemption's, have and do exist. We also have a digital system now that data can be managed where safety is managed well.
Do you also realize, that America developed under a generalized format where 20th Century jobs were designed based on a generalized 8th grade educational level, and even then the college labeled AA degree holder's position were based on a model or 10th, to 11th grade generalized educational level.. Above that, is where the Bachelor Degree use to stand, which was based on a 12 grade and 1 yr of higher education short of an AA Degree, which has been replaced by the Master Degree, which is about what a 2 Yr AA Degree performance and educational levels was expected to know and be capable to do.
Now one must have a Doctorate Degree and its generalized standard is designed based on a Bachelors Degree Educational level.
Our systems have "never" been designed based on the direct claim of degree titling.
We are not the geniuses that we would like to think we are. Nor is our systems as advanced as they make aim to claim.
The down lag in system and is the generalized modeling of much in America and has been for the span of American existence, and its not much different correlations within other nations. Some a fraction higher and some a fraction lower, but there is no massively wide gap or change in such dynamics.
There was a time, when people who did pursue and gain a Bachelor Degree, invested in programmed learned based on "A PASSION FOR A PROFESSIONS AND FIELD OF PERFORMANCE",... Now, its based on "getting 60 credits , and how much and to which university one paid to get it.
Many in society today come out with no specialized capabilities, above what could be performed by a well placed and paced and self invested 12th grader or a vocational and technical trained individual with 9 month - 18 months training program.
All we've done is set the criteria for access to middle class income options, to be based on who paid into a system of "university business for a "get past go" certificate".
One can give people a vocabulary list as long as a mile, but if they don't know what they are talking about, and slinging in words they don't grasp the depth and context of their usage, but they use them because it sounds clever. Most are not groomed for critical or detailed thinking, they are taught to "skim" and "skip along", often times historical foundation basis is not a matter of interest nor concern. "Go for the Money" by any means at any expense and regardless of who or how many is damaged in the process.
It's more sad, and very detrimental to the basis of society. Ethics and Morality is voided out, for Flair and Dare, and anything goes, as long as one gets the Money.... has misery and madness multiplying it's self in every corridor of our society.
We certainly can't dispense with Regulatory Governance, and yes we need to continually be better in Regulatory Management of our Regulatory Governance. But not give up our principles... of "Safety First", and keep with our quality standards and measures of assurances.
The exposure of the youth of today and the advances in technology, will change the dynamic some, but we are talking about a target range of the years 2040 and beyond. That means a whole new Generation, which is about a 25+ yr span, which has to replace the current dominant functioning generation within our society. That means those being born today... will have the post Vocational Graduate Age and/or the post 2-4 yr University Graduate Age to enter and be the strength group in the day to day labor markets of the future, but they will not only work different, but their skill levels will be shaped by the advances that technology will have developed.
We won't need people 'stitching up a wound", or people hand wrapping a cast on a broken bone, a well controlled gadget can do both of those, as well as a compound can be created that can create a cast, by some technological means.
Already, we have cars parking themselves, and etc... its telling us what is to come, if we pay attention, thus so, what will be a bigger matter than it is even today, is Regulatory Governance and Regulatory Management.
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The previous post discussing elements and impacts of deregulation - was basically written for those who care to think beyond their self concerns. Therefore I would not expect those of Right Wing ideology to read much anyway... especially anything that is not self servicing only, so why confuse them with logical elements that address the broader base of humane concerns and other relevant facts that support the premise of America as a United Organizations of States and the necessity of Regulator Governance.
Those whom DO Think Beyond self interest only, to consider the broader sectors in matters that is not simply about self serving concepts will understand very well what has been written.
How much do people truly invest in researching out the impacts of this administrations aims of De-regulations?
No people should become " Party Blind" and result to be consumed by their own avoidance of information.
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Truth... matters.....
Truth does matter, but your post hasn't documented the truth, or at least documented any facts. You are basing the thread on what you THINK will happen, not what is actually happening. The current administration has at this point simply placed a suspension on any NEW regulation. Beyond that his election campaign was focused on deregulation, but he was also quoted as saying none of this deregulation would be directed at health and safety. There are many regulations for a variety of reasons, some based on political, environmental, social, or personal economic reasons (to make one industry preferred over another, perhaps because that industry has sponsors that more heavily contribute to one political party or another). Most have nothing to do with safety.
Behind this suspension of new regulation, I don't really know if anything has been done yet. He has "deregulation teams" so possibly you will see things happen in the next year. It's anyone guess, certainly he will cut down funding on some government agencies but, as full of waste as government are, that will be a good thing. I expect it will be focused on EPA and other interior department agencies. He has proposed cuts in labor department as well. In regards to OSHA you have a new labor secretary - Alexander Acosta, a latino that by all accounts is a fair minded individual. He has actually been on record as opposing OSHA cuts at least in regards to enforcement of labor rules.
So in summary, before this turns into a nonsensical Trump diatribe like you see on the P&C forum here, see what happens first. Gather some facts.
Oh also, wow - can you edit down your posts? Your threads are detailed but, well - lets say they wander all over the place from your topic.
Liability for accidents is a pretty good incentive towards keeping workers safe. There are unions, state and local regulations, too. Just because the feds were involved doesn't mean it was good or helpful. The feds backing off makes it easier for compliance, productivity, and money available to hire or invest. That is what matters.
OSHA is crap and needs to be done away with.
Want to get an employer into deep trouble? All you got to do is take an empty red plastic gas can onto a job site and it could easily cost $25,000.
I had this happen to me and the gas can was not mine, I didn't know about it and it wasn't even in a vehicle I owned but I still got nailed.
The argument was I should have done a better job educating my employees. It was my fault because if I had only told the employee not to bring his personal gas can in his personal truck onto a job site I wouldn't have been fined!
I argued, got a lawyer involved and settled for $12,000. I was lucky. In the settlement they told me the next time would be considered "willful negligence" and I would learn what a real hefty fine was all about. I made every employee take a gas can safety course and they had to each personally sign that they took it.
This is why personal vehicles are not allowed on some sites. You can park in the street.
Today most are very proactive safety wise not so much because of OSHA, we tell our people to take a paid lunch break whenever OSHA shows up, but insurance costs and claims. By having an unblemished safety record, no accidents in 25 years and we do take safety first and foremost, we are able to do projects at certain locations that no other company is allowed to bid on simply because they have a dismal safety record.
Because we are the only available approved contractor we can charge 30% more so why in the world would we ever want the ability to do that be in jeopardy? I love working with companies that are completely insane when it comes to safety.
We have one we don't even allow an OSHA approved ladder on the job site due to safety concerns. Everything is a lift and I could care less what it costs. A light bulb to be changed so what is it; a 10' OSHA approved ladder and 20 minutes time or waiting for the delivery of a 20' OSHA approved man lift that runs $700 with pick up and delivery charges plus turns a 20 minute job into a four hour job at $200/hour? You betcha, every time but my people will NOT be as risk of being hurt.
The problem with rolling back EPA is depending how much and what is rolled back can hurt humans easily. Are there bad EPA regulation, yes. The problem is figuring out what is before it is too late.
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