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How much do people truly invest in researching out the impacts of this administrations aims of De-regulations?
It will effect the employment and safety of employees. "Your Safety Matters" (Is your health and that of your family worth higher risk, for the sake of a few extra dollars to the already wealth holdings of industry) We have Organization like OSHA, Unions and General Safety Programs, to protect workers.
Workers, make up what is the American Public, they are Members of the Community, and they are the people who make America the nation that it is.
People truly should think deeper and look at what it took and the lives lost, to develop programs for the safety of "people", and ask yourself, is the cause of "greed" so important that we will go backwards by 50-75 yrs, for the sake of profit for the Industry, which is making more money than ever, but investing less and less in America and the American people. (These are questions, people should be asking themselves, instead of believing in bluster and fictional drama and exaggerated hype, that puts people in the pathway of perils, for a limited number that may get short term jobs, with no hope of advancement).. I would suggest that any interested people, invest in reading and learning more about the nature of work, safety, and the reality of what kind of jobs, that are necessary for the future, and what kind of jobs that are not coming back, and then consider the value of what is workplace safety and the necessity of it improving in the continuing future of work and life.
Other elements of "Deregulation's" will possibly lead to a net effect, that will be long term costly and may result to damage more business, for the benefit on the bigger multi-nationals who may well gobble them up. ( for examples: refer to what and how De-regulations changed the history of the Air Line Industry)
It may be beneficial to consider what and how these administrative actions will impact the general working population, in the near future but more so... to consider the impact of long term effects.
No people should become " Party Blind" and result to be consumed by their own avoidance of information.
Liability for accidents is a pretty good incentive towards keeping workers safe. There are unions, state and local regulations, too. Just because the feds were involved doesn't mean it was good or helpful. The feds backing off makes it easier for compliance, productivity, and money available to hire or invest. That is what matters.
Liability for accidents is a pretty good incentive towards keeping workers safe. There are unions, state and local regulations, too. Just because the feds were involved doesn't mean it was good or helpful. The feds backing off makes it easier for compliance, productivity, and money available to hire or invest. That is what matters.
I hear what you say, and agree that Liability for accidents is a "very good incentive" although its not looking at the whole of it, because we can prevent much with good info, good records and managing our system to adhere to regulatory processes. We have a "Federal System" of which, States should Respect. Trying to negate and ignore the Federal System of Regulatory Governance is not a good things. ...... for one, society is too broad and too many diverse states and people, who want to do "just what they want to do, without fuller regard for others as well as nature". It takes a lot of research, and very intelligent people compiling data to develop Federal Regulations, they are not made up on a whim. The good with the Federal System, is , it considers variables that address all States concern, because it addresses all people. If it were left up to states, we'd have toxicity spread from one state to others, simply because one or more states might just think its more profitable to ignore the impact its productions have on people in other regions and other variables in other states.
Federal System Regulation has to take all of that into concern. People in general are quite callous, and only concern themselves with such matters, when it 'hits them personally", or hits family members, or they are devastated by injury and illness and can no longer work, ONLY THEN, do some people open their eyes, and they are ILL PREPARED to address it in a legal manner or otherwise, because they never thought to bring it to the attention of the Federal Regulatory System beforehand...
Many regulations come to be, after many people have been hurt, damaged, or loss their limb or life, in come cases because science moves ahead and bring out the data to show the inevitable damage that will be caused with continued habits in the business and industry world. It takes Federal Address to protect the people. Otherwise, man's greed is subject to any level of atrocity against and upon other man. Slavery and many other elements of Industrial systems, should have taught people this long ago.
Trying to defer to States as if States dominate over Federal.... Sounds real close to the exact same premise that "The Confederacy" pursued.
And... we all know what their agenda was!!!! Which is why they wanted "States" rights to supersede and negate Federal Regulatory Governance.
We are THE "UNITED" STATES.... and we are that for a reason far greater than the promotions of private industry.
There is nothing easier about compliance by negating the Federal Regulatory System. We know what exist without Federal Oversight!!!! and it has "NEVER" been good for the benefit and welfare of the people.
We've even seen what happens in the State's Voting Records, without Federal Oversight, there would be more madness and more voter repression and suppression,without Federal Oversight.
One thing black people and Liberal Minded white people know better than what many Non Liberal whites people don't care to consider.. Is black society and Liberal Society knows very well the horrors of "State's Rights without Federal Intervention"!!!!!
We can't win because "States" Fight too much against our Federal System..... China will continue to kick our butts, and every other country where the people "RESPECT" their National Governing Authority.
Then when States mess up or get in a bind, they want the Federal System, then to bail them out, after they IGNORED the Federal EPA. they should have been hit with a "giant sized fine!! quadruple the original cost, and we can bet next time, they will learn how to comply.
Example: Florida and Algae
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A 2000 law promising to spend $175 million to help farmers and ranchers control phosphorus doled out just $3 million.
And this year, after failing to meet the law’s 2015 deadline to get phosphorus loads into the lake down to 140 tons, state lawmakers simply set a new deadline — 20 years from now.
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So everything's perfect when the feds are directly involved in every aspect of every business? Have you ever gotten OSHA involved in anything? It takes forever, and seldom accomplishes anything except costing more money while making regulators and politicians look good. Regs can be overkill, it can be argued that the federal gov't doesn't have the authority to regulate many things, and yet you see it as a panacea. Ever consider the regs could be wrong, overkill, or counterproductive? Regs should ALWAYS be subject to review, revision, and repeal.
So everything's perfect when the feds are directly involved in every aspect of every business? Have you ever gotten OSHA involved in anything? It takes forever, and seldom accomplishes anything except costing more money while making regulators and politicians look good. Regs can be overkill, it can be argued that the federal gov't doesn't have the authority to regulate many things, and yet you see it as a panacea. Ever consider the regs could be wrong, overkill, or counterproductive? Regs should ALWAYS be subject to review, revision, and repeal.
I refer to OSHA a great deal... it provides good elements for "guidance"... Maybe you can consider what is Liability, and how it impacts in managing risk. If and when an incident happens, one might then find out how much value is within OSHA, when it helps forestall a mega lawsuit. One can be assured, if one did not meet the guidelines there are 'attorney's who will rip one clean", because an existing standard is in place.
Trump likes to sue people, but equally so, he does not like to pay people for work they do, and surely he does not like to pay people who get injured on his job sites. So for him, he see's it as a benefit "not to have OSHA Standards in place", and if something happens, and no long term record keeping is done, he can skirt the issue and make a simple claim of "Ok, we'll do better next time", while in the mean time the employee may have suffered a life impacting injury that was "preventable". We can be sure that his next target will be similar to what Schwarzenegger did in California, which is make it even more difficult for injured employees to be compensated for injury and or life changing damage to their body.
As I said, in the initial post.. people may want to give attentions to learn the impact of these changes and how it might affect them, their offspring's, and others.
When Unions were strong, these standard were being met, not that Unions have been forced downwards, it is logical that the wealth holders of industry would go after reversing regulations. Before long, we will be back at 1930's level Safety Standards...
It's amazing how people want to take pride in claiming we are a 1st Tier Advanced Society, but they want to dismantle the standards and regulations that ushered in that status.
So the standards are there so someone can sue. Just follow the money. I thought it was about worker safety, about not getting hurt in the first place?
I work for a utility, and I can tell you that many safety standards (I don't know which are co rules or OSHA rules) are overkill, and waste huge amounts of time. This costs lots of overtime, which means higher costs for the ratepayer. It also delays needed work, because a newer rule necessitates taking more equipment out of service than was previously needed for the same job, and the job gets delayed or never done at all. Then they wait until something fails, then it's a mad scramble to get things back together at a huge expense. Things need to be reviewed, adjusted, revised, repealed, and there's nothing wrong with that.
So the standards are there so someone can sue. Just follow the money. I thought it was about worker safety, about not getting hurt in the first place?
I work for a utility, and I can tell you that many safety standards (I don't know which are co rules or OSHA rules) are overkill, and waste huge amounts of time. This costs lots of overtime, which means higher costs for the ratepayer. It also delays needed work, because a newer rule necessitates taking more equipment out of service than was previously needed for the same job, and the job gets delayed or never done at all. Then they wait until something fails, then it's a mad scramble to get things back together at a huge expense. Things need to be reviewed, adjusted, revised, repealed, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Review and Revision is not a bad thing.... there are ways people like to work and want to work, that seems to be less cumbersome, but safety standards are developed as a means to mitigate problems and potential problems that can be gleaned from variables and what and how things interact.
But, short cuts are not an answer.. If one has ever been in Military, then one knows, what they do, is "train and perform", perform and train, and they "use checklist"... things are broken down into steps, phases and sectors of functions. That exist for many reasons, which includes efficiency as well as safety, and consistency in ability to perform and executive to achieve the objectives, with minimal fail ratios as practical.
The video I linked above is good, because its deals with principal reasoning as to the establishment of safety and safety protocols.
Cal-OSHA (California OSHA) goes even further than OSHA in its developments within safety, I often refer to it to gain even more perspectives.
Tech changes and so much rules and regs, thus so... Review and Revision is a necessity.
So everything's perfect when the feds are directly involved in every aspect of every business? Have you ever gotten OSHA involved in anything? It takes forever, and seldom accomplishes anything except costing more money while making regulators and politicians look good. Regs can be overkill, it can be argued that the federal gov't doesn't have the authority to regulate many things, and yet you see it as a panacea. Ever consider the regs could be wrong, overkill, or counterproductive? Regs should ALWAYS be subject to review, revision, and repeal.
So far as OSHA the regs are reviewed. While there are regs that are redundant and even some that make little sense, the vast majority of them (1910 std's) are necessary for one reason only. Until employers take safety seriously and are committed to injury reduction through hazards identification and abatement, someone has to watch out for the safety and health of America's workers.
Enter OSHA.
For every company that complains about OSHA, all they have to do is provide a workplace free from recognized hazards(general duty clause). This is step one. You'd be shocked to learn how many companies won't even do that.
The only reason to have regulations is because business owners hate proven time and time again to not care until they are slapped in the face with multi-million dollar lawsuits from neglect.
How much do people truly invest in researching out the impacts of this administrations aims of De-regulations?
It will effect the employment and safety of employees. "Your Safety Matters" (Is your health and that of your family worth higher risk, for the sake of a few extra dollars to the already wealth holdings of industry) We have Organization like OSHA, Unions and General Safety Programs, to protect workers.
Workers, make up what is the American Public, they are Members of the Community, and they are the people who make America the nation that it is.
People truly should think deeper and look at what it took and the lives lost, to develop programs for the safety of "people", and ask yourself, is the cause of "greed" so important that we will go backwards by 50-75 yrs, for the sake of profit for the Industry, which is making more money than ever, but investing less and less in America and the American people. (These are questions, people should be asking themselves, instead of believing in bluster and fictional drama and exaggerated hype, that puts people in the pathway of perils, for a limited number that may get short term jobs, with no hope of advancement).. I would suggest that any interested people, invest in reading and learning more about the nature of work, safety, and the reality of what kind of jobs, that are necessary for the future, and what kind of jobs that are not coming back, and then consider the value of what is workplace safety and the necessity of it improving in the continuing future of work and life.
Other elements of "Deregulation's" will possibly lead to a net effect, that will be long term costly and may result to damage more business, for the benefit on the bigger multi-nationals who may well gobble them up. ( for examples: refer to what and how De-regulations changed the history of the Air Line Industry)
It may be beneficial to consider what and how these administrative actions will impact the general working population, in the near future but more so... to consider the impact of long term effects.
No people should become " Party Blind" and result to be consumed by their own avoidance of information.
Truth... matters.....
deregulation sounds great to someone who hates "big gov" and believes in bogeymen. but the reality is regulation, red tape and its predictable application etc drives massive investment to our shores. Many companies list in the USA precisely because of our rule of law, strict regulations and the protections they provide. deregulation undermines that, and because much of the value is rooted in perception , Trump's words and unpredictability are a huge problem and may discourage external investment.
at least this is how it would seem to me. perhaps Trumps willingness to allow pollution and lower standards might drive new investment to offset the loses...
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Expecting Standards of Safety
