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Old 09-12-2017, 04:54 PM
 
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I don't think any here is UN-aware that things change and modification come into play, which change process and procedures, which can minimize the impact of various regulations. While at the same time, bringing in new type and formats of regulations. But...unfortunately, there are still many "second and third tier lower quality operations" that do not adhere to good safety standards. This is a big driver of "Standards Remaining in Place" which some are archaic to many of the more advanced and better equipped and safety minded organizations.
We have not become a system and society that we can minimize regulations, when the categories of things regulated still require the need for regulation.

As to the proposal regarding "Safety Record Keeping", and other items are on the agenda, some may be good some, not good, that has been a matter discussed by the administration. I'd personally assert that, improving safety standards should be high priority, and compliance should be enforced.

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Old 09-12-2017, 05:17 PM
 
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Other areas of Regulations are on the agenda, regarding Dodd-Frank... That is a challenging situation, at the time of its implementation it was broad based and had to be. Because Big Banks were driving small banks into every kind of challenge one can imagine, If one looks around now at many "community banks", and "regional banks", they face challenges and many have folded over. This is due to the activities of big banks abusing regulation. I think the amendment should be not to do away with Dodd-Frank, but to address Regional and Community Banks under a different set of standards and Policies. But also, there needs to be a reinstatement of many provisions from Glass-Steigal, because we need some separation between the elements in the Financial Industry, and break down this "Too Big Too Fail", Then we can get better domestic services within banking.

The condition post crash required very firm things, but one thing that certainly should stay firmly in place is the requirement of Stress Testing and Maintaining Reserves at a high level. The public cannot afford the repeat of the "wild casino gaming that played a big part in the mess that resulted". Soon, the Fed's will be releasing $3-4 Trillion back into the system over a span to time, and we need to make sure that Regulations are Firm and compliance is enforced!!!, and The financial industry does not take this as "free money spinning games" - It is a very intricate thing. The sad part is, Trump has a history of "Dark Avenue Money Shuffling" and this can be dangerous and damaging to the American Currency valuation, the economy and become a undermining of the integrity that backs our currency. Therefore... I would not support any of the "single sheet, short paragraph" proposals that Trump engages or the Republican system with regards to "fast money spinning"!!! which can only result in high interest rates and inflation's within many categories. We exampled the mess of slap stick by the "shallow documents they generated talking about "health care repeal". It not only was just a raw uncultured shredding attempt, it had nothing in it, other than a proposal to make allowance to give the wealthy a massive Tax Break.

These are the "TYPE" of thing we have to watch out for and be of more interest to gain better information and demand more clarity in greater detail. None of this.. Dictator like talk of do it, because "I said, its good for America". That is not how we manage National Business. And there is to be no "Governing by Stand Alone Executive Order", We are not a Dictatorship nor will the mass of the American people allow us to become one by such process and aims.

The matter of Regulation as the above poster said. Deals with lots of "Categories", we need to be informed, we need detail information, and we need to become a society that is more concerned about what's in the "mix", rather than someone just telling us they are "baking us a cake".

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Old 09-12-2017, 05:18 PM
 
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I agree too, that I do add in lots of variables, but they are not made up, they are things of concerns that do exist. They may be many, and not all fully addressed, but they are variables that cannot be negated or dismissed. The thread can address any or all in a varying degree of point and relevancy... That's within the broad scope of the points within the expanse of the discussions.

The 21st Century is within the age of Information, and as a society that has struggled to move from the Industrial, to the Technical, to the Information age... many of us are lagging in that transitions, because decisions were made by people that American once though they could trust and people did not concern themselves with the details. Now, one has to know more, and be evermore discerning about what any politician comes to the media and say. Money has influenced politic's so much, that the people have to think more, learn more and be more astute about how they deal with what is put forth.
We are facing real dynamic of paradigm shifts of many sorts with Robotic Technology and Artificial Intelligence, and we need to be more informed, or we will be living like a cave man in the midst of a technological mass of information based Artificial robotic integration's. One may think something such as self driving vehicles is a novelty, but what follows is much more impacting in ways we are yet to consider and acknowledge. We have no more time to be slap stick casual and lost in brevity.


I know many Trump supporter went for the fact they feel he "shoots from the hip", but a hip shooter is not the same as the skilled marksman, who is dealing with skill developed tactics with good programming and solid policy. (yes, I've seen some hip shooter hit the target), but today, what takes places has broad domestic impacts and international reverberations. Trump said he had plans, but none of those plans had any details that were given and none are given to the public, this is not the method of the future that we are to live of which is affected by what ever is promoted and pushed. The public needs clear and detailed information.


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We can't be the people we were in the 1970's and 1980's or the 1990's. Today, Every vote matters... we can no longer vote based on "drama attacks" and "one candidate shooting buck shots at the other".. They "NEED TO BE SPECIFIC" !!!!! It does not matter if its Republican or Democrat. We must be a society that "Demands Specifics", Give us the Details and stop undermining our ability to comprehend when it comes to acts and actions that impact lives of American people.
The time for "voting for name recognition is over" and the time of voting for who spends the most money to attack the other, is over... If they can't talk specifics, and back it up with good programming and sound policy", then we are not a future than can deal with "slap stick "let's trade insults" and 'beat your opponent with "tacky gamesmanship labels of put down phrasing". that is principally "meaningless" !!!

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Old 09-13-2017, 05:42 AM
 
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Liability for accidents is a pretty good incentive towards keeping workers safe. There are unions, state and local regulations, too. Just because the feds were involved doesn't mean it was good or helpful. The feds backing off makes it easier for compliance, productivity, and money available to hire or invest. That is what matters.
Perhaps...but smaller businesses may not have the knowledge or formal systems in place - at least without more formal federal guidelines. Individual "victims" might be steamrolled or more ignorant of their rights - federal regulations help insure there are preventative measures in place BEFORE the first person gets injured. It is PROactive rather than REactive.
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Old 09-13-2017, 08:17 AM
 
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Perhaps...but smaller businesses may not have the knowledge or formal systems in place - at least without more formal federal guidelines. Individual "victims" might be steamrolled or more ignorant of their rights - federal regulations help insure there are preventative measures in place BEFORE the first person gets injured. It is PROactive rather than REactive.
Some people don't grasp it... but all across America for Decades upon Decades there were people maimed and damaged in ways that destroyed their lives and that of their families, and even today... People get hurt but far less than before these Federal Regulation improved standards.

We've seen too much fall apart with Deregulation, and roll back is not good for American people. Today, workers comp is tougher than ever and people suffer devastating issues and no viable recourse to put their lives back together, as workers comp is not going to provide what an able body can achieve.


Regulation help us avoid this
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Old 09-13-2017, 12:52 PM
 
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Some people don't grasp it... but all across America for Decades upon Decades there were people maimed and damaged in ways that destroyed their lives and that of their families, and even today... People get hurt but far less than before these Federal Regulation improved standards.

We've seen too much fall apart with Deregulation, and roll back is not good for American people. Today, workers comp is tougher than ever and people suffer devastating issues and no viable recourse to put their lives back together, as workers comp is not going to provide what an able body can achieve.


Regulation help us avoid this
Yep, we could easily see burning rivers from oil runoff in droves like they did in the 1960's, you know before a Republican president created the EPA.
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Old 09-13-2017, 01:25 PM
 
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Deregulation has ruined the Trucking Industry. It'll wreck all of the other industries in this country and make the wages terrible, benefits awful, and put workers' lives at risk. Yeah, I voted for Cheeto-Man and regret having done so. It was either eat an orange turd sandwich or deal with the repercussions of the other candidate who was much like a raging toxic dumpster fire. I took my chances on a turd sandwich. Not happy either way.
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Old 09-13-2017, 01:32 PM
 
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Some people don't grasp it... but all across America for Decades upon Decades there were people maimed and damaged in ways that destroyed their lives and that of their families, and even today... People get hurt but far less than before these Federal Regulation improved standards.

We've seen too much fall apart with Deregulation, and roll back is not good for American people. Today, workers comp is tougher than ever and people suffer devastating issues and no viable recourse to put their lives back together, as workers comp is not going to provide what an able body can achieve.
It's hard to follow your threads because you are getting into so many different issues...but no one is saying to eliminate regulations, but just to reduce them. It's not a choice of all or nothing. The pendulum swings one way or the other, recently it's swinging into the range of over-regulation. Time to get back in the middle, that's all.

Not sure where you are going with "workers comp", that's managed by state governments except for federal employees. While you say it's 'tougher than ever' you will have others saying workmans comp fraud is at epidemic levels - some studies say $10 billion a year in fraudulent claims.

You really need to stick to one topic, just my advice. Post once, what's this 3 or 4 posts in a row? At that point you are just talking to yourself. Let others comment and catch up.
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Old 09-13-2017, 03:59 PM
 
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It's hard to follow your threads because you are getting into so many different issues...but no one is saying to eliminate regulations, but just to reduce them. It's not a choice of all or nothing. The pendulum swings one way or the other, recently it's swinging into the range of over-regulation. Time to get back in the middle, that's all.

Not sure where you are going with "workers comp", that's managed by state governments except for federal employees. While you say it's 'tougher than ever' you will have others saying workmans comp fraud is at epidemic levels - some studies say $10 billion a year in fraudulent claims.

You really need to stick to one topic, just my advice. Post once, what's this 3 or 4 posts in a row? At that point you are just talking to yourself. Let others comment and catch up.
It actually was one post, I broken it into 3 because of different variable of subject matter. I had made line between the variables, but deleted it and made it into three different post. Previously at another time, someone asked, if that could be done.

I agree with you, the fraud was and is extensive. It is why the program became more stringent in its elements and benefit qualifications. ( People seem to abuse many things).

I do agree, that "Regulations must be managed, greater and lesser depending on the level of knowledge the group being impacted has" may be a viable considerations. But, that too may meet with question or challenge.

But often, the more informed people are, the more precaution they may be prone to consider before and during the acts they engage.

We as a society, have a lot of learning to do, its just a matter of the system. Times and Realism is mandating that people have and pursue more information, and over time, this may help manage how and what type of regulations are introduced into various fields that deal with what comes in the future.

We are a "very big nations" with a vast array of moving parts. Often times, we forget just how big we are in the scope as being "a nation". When we look at the generalized small category of "our circle of environment", we can think its too much. But when we look at the broad expanse of the nation and its variables, then relative volume and scope has to be equated differently.

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Old 09-13-2017, 04:02 PM
 
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Perhaps...but smaller businesses may not have the knowledge or formal systems in place - at least without more formal federal guidelines. Individual "victims" might be steamrolled or more ignorant of their rights - federal regulations help insure there are preventative measures in place BEFORE the first person gets injured. It is PROactive rather than REactive.
Right. These days, most states are right to work, so most people don't have to join unions and the unions have much less power than they used to to advocate on behalf of workers.

Most people seem to think that rules are created via some light-speed, opaque, secretive process by which no one gets to express their opinion. Rules are actually created out in the open with opportunities for commenting and even lawsuits (as we saw with the FLSA lawsuit last year) if people don't believe they are appropriate. A rule can't just be made out of thin air. However, there is all sorts of misinformation about the process. Many rules take years to actually become effective and then get repealed shortly afterward only to start a multi-year process over again.
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