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In order to avoid accountability, universities argued that the purpose of college was not to find employment, but to educate the population
That doesn't avoid accountability. That clarifies reality. A lot of clueless people think that college is to prepare you for work at some skilled labor or office job.
College is USELESS for the most part. Its just a way to check off the resume job application that you have a degree. Loved my college years, but I didn't gain much of anything from it.
Did you even complete college? I find it unusual that one would call college useless.
There are no jobs that require no experience, except sales and Mcjobs. College/university does not help one get around the catch-22.
You are so wrong.
What you are talking about clerk, counter help, and door to door peddlers not real sales jobs not needing college training, or experience. You are not talking about sales jobs.
I know as I worked up from the bottom with a very old, international corp, #1 in their field to be division sales manager for western half of USA.
If you want a sales job with a large Chemical company calling on their customers, you will need a degree in chemistry, so you can talk to their customers. Same in IT a degree in IT, and so on, and so on.
And as to McJobs you can work up into management, with some store managers earning as high as $100,000 a year, more than a large percentage of college graduates.
And if one is sharp, along with a college degree in their field, a personality that gets along with co-workers, and is ready to learn in their field, their are jobs waiting for them.
On the other hand, I keep seeing post after post on CD, posters that cannot get a job, and if they get an interview they cannot get the job. When I read some of their posts, I would not hire them either. They simply do not fit in with the company hiring goals, or will not fit in with co-workers if they are hired. This is not new, as I had them applying to my company decades ago and would not hire them way back then.
If you cannot find a good job, quit blaming HR and HM people. Consider the fact, you turn off HR and HM people so much they do not hire you, and look for the reason why. Start looking at what is wrong with you, that no one with a good job opening will even consider you.
What you are talking about clerk, counter help, and door to door peddlers not real sales jobs not needing college training, or experience. You are not talking about sales jobs.
I know as I worked up from the bottom with a very old, international corp, #1 in their field to be division sales manager for western half of USA.
If you want a sales job with a large Chemical company calling on their customers, you will need a degree in chemistry, so you can talk to their customers. Same in IT a degree in IT, and so on, and so on.
And as to McJobs you can work up into management, with some store managers earning as high as $100,000 a year, more than a large percentage of college graduates.
And if one is sharp, along with a college degree in their field, a personality that gets along with co-workers, and is ready to learn in their field, their are jobs waiting for them.
On the other hand, I keep seeing post after post on CD, posters that cannot get a job, and if they get an interview they cannot get the job. When I read some of their posts, I would not hire them either. They simply do not fit in with the company hiring goals, or will not fit in with co-workers if they are hired. This is not new, as I had them applying to my company decades ago and would not hire them way back then.
If you cannot find a good job, quit blaming HR and HM people. Consider the fact, you turn off HR and HM people so much they do not hire you, and look for the reason why. Start looking at what is wrong with you, that no one with a good job opening will even consider you.
True, the fault always lies with the worker, never the employer.
True, the fault always lies with the worker, never the employer.
In the case of the OP, this is true. Trying to say that college did not prepare you for a job is like saying a fork did not help you drink water. It's not the fork's or water's fault. It's the person who thinks that fork is the right tool to drink water.
In the case of the OP, this is true. Trying to say that college did not prepare you for a job is like saying a fork did not help you drink water. It's not the fork's or water's fault. It's the person who thinks that fork is the right tool to drink water.
Yes. I think that for most people, including me, the degree is just a piece of paper that you need to get a white collar job. A check in a box. I never expected a degree to prepare me for a job. Much of what you need to be successful in a job and career is common sense like show up on time, have a good attitude, work hard, be able to learn, be able to play and survive the political games and get along with others. College doesn't really provide that, other than the knowledge that you may need in your chosen career.
My college education focused too much on theory much of which I don't use. Even though I work in a very closely aligned field to my education I had to learn a lot of the practical applications and necessary skills (mechanical aptitude, basic IT management) on my own.
Just last week I was taking apart a 2 stage rotary vane vacuum pump to learn how it works, is put together, and how to service it for my GC/MS.
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My college education focused too much on theory much of which I don't use. Even though I work in a very closely aligned field to my education I had to learn a lot of the practical applications and necessary skills (mechanical aptitude, basic IT management) on my own.
Yeah, I found this with my science education, as I said. Lots of training to be more an academic scientist, than an applied one.
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