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I retired 8 years ago from a job I spent 32 years at, now work for the State for the last 4 years. I have seen two people let go but each time it was a Supervisor and the head of Security no one from HR or any one to witness for the other party. Both were threaten with loss of pension if they disputed the situation. To clarify nether were criminal reason for their release, one was a Supervisor who did his job and told the truth about why the department was having issues. The other was a situation were an employee who lived in a different state got a 50$ fine for jogging at a public park(trespassing) that was not open. Still don't know how our Department found out about it.
HR was involved in the dismissal if only to create and process the administrative record. Don't see why they would need to be on hand when the employee was actually escorted off the premises. By that time their work was complete. Unless the employee appeals. Either way, unless you were the person's supervisor, why would it be any of your business?
HR was involved in the dismissal if only to create and process the administrative record. Don't see why they would need to be on hand when the employee was actually escorted off the premises. By that time their work was complete. Unless the employee appeals. Either way, unless you were the person's supervisor, why would it be any of your business?
Because their work was their livelihood , I have a pension I went back to work becuase I wanted to not becuase I had to and I don't like people being bullied. I assume you have no idea that HR stands for Human Resources and is there to help both sides.
I don't see how anyone can be fired from a state job without HR being involved. When I worked a state job HR was not present in the room for terminations.
Unless you were in the room, you don't know what was said. I have been involved with a number of terminations over the years, and I know that what terminated employees tell their friends in order to save face is not always the truth.
Anyway, nothing unusual about HR not being in the room for state job terminations in my experience.
Because their work was their livelihood , I have a pension I went back to work becuase I wanted to not becuase I had to and I don't like people being bullied. I assume you have no idea that HR stands for Human Resources and is there to help both sides.
HR may stand for Human Resources but it's primary responsibility, whether i government or private industry, is to protect the interests of the organization.
It was the same even back when HR was called Personnel.
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Here not only must HR be involved, but they are very strict about doing a performance improvement plan first. Even when it's a firing for specific egregious cause, such as sexual harassment, theft of office equipment, or physical altercation, they have to be involved. It's all to prevent repercussions, such as lawsuits, they are supposed to be the experts in how to handle it correctly. When it comes to temps, however, I can fire on the spot, for any reason and not even notify HR.
Here not only must HR be involved, but they are very strict about doing a performance improvement plan first. Even when it's a firing for specific egregious cause, such as sexual harassment, theft of office equipment, or physical altercation, they have to be involved. It's all to prevent repercussions, such as lawsuits, they are supposed to be the experts in how to handle it correctly. When it comes to temps, however, I can fire on the spot, for any reason and not even notify HR.
This was the same at my former employer . HR was involved in all aspects of the work force hiring -firing and yearly evaluations. To add there was always someone aloud to be in the room as a witness for the person in trouble, understand they weren't there to defend them just as a witness to the actual event.
HR may stand for Human Resources but it's primary responsibility, whether i government or private industry, is to protect the interests of the organization.
It was the same even back when HR was called Personnel.
Yes and no. You protect the company and you protect the employees at the same time.
What is an HR department? In simplest terms, the HR (Human Resources) department is a group who is responsible for managing the employee life cycle (i.e., recruiting, hiring, onboarding, training, and firing employees) and administering employee benefits.
I retired 8 years ago from a job I spent 32 years at, now work for the State for the last 4 years. I have seen two people let go but each time it was a Supervisor and the head of Security no one from HR or any one to witness for the other party. Both were threaten with loss of pension if they disputed the situation. To clarify nether were criminal reason for their release, one was a Supervisor who did his job and told the truth about why the department was having issues. The other was a situation were an employee who lived in a different state got a 50$ fine for jogging at a public park(trespassing) that was not open. Still don't know how our Department found out about it.
You mean they actually fired someone for a $50 fine for tresspassing on his own time, not on the employer's time
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HR was involved in the dismissal if only to create and process the administrative record. Don't see why they would need to be on hand when the employee was actually escorted off the premises. By that time their work was complete. Unless the employee appeals. Either way, unless you were the person's supervisor, why would it be any of your business?
