Jakarta VS Bangkok VS Manila (crime, life, safest, place)
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The video u share is the same as Manila outside of BCD but Jakarta is still better ( you can see north Jakarta, West Jakarta, South Jakarta ) many beautiful and amazing area city
I never claimed that most of Manila is nice. It's not. But we're comparing the nicest areas of each city. I was told that Kebayoran was a nice area full of restaurants and stores. It doesn't look nice at all. It looks like a more run-down chaotic version of Cubao
I never claimed that most of Manila is nice. It's not. But we're comparing the nicest areas of each city. I was told that Kebayoran was a nice area full of restaurants and stores. It doesn't look nice at all. It looks like a more run-down chaotic version of Cubao
Cubao is a decent area, but nobody would call it fancy. But apparently the fancy part of Jakarta looks even worse that this
We're a much poorer city but we still manage to have a higher quality of life. Check objective data that measures many different factors
For Mercer's quality of life index:
For the Economist's Liveability Index, here are their factors
"Each city is assigned a score for over 30 qualitative and quantitative factors across five broad categories of Stability, Healthcare, Culture and environment, Education and Infrastructure"
So our low-budget city is doing better overall. And Metro Manila is more densely populated than Jakarta but still manages to have better air quality and more green space.
21% green space in Metro Manila https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/113365...inue-to-shrink
How did that happen when Metro Manila has a larger population in a smaller land area? That's a huge fail for Jakarta. You know there are many other factors that go into quality of life besides trains and highways
And you call Manila being greener than Jakarta? like 80% of the green space is outside the damn main urban area.
That's basically just a suburban neighborhood and a suburban "foodie street" (we have them all over the place). The neighborhood looks like Forbes Park, Dasma, or Valle Verde- where there are nice mansions and then some restaurants on the main roads outside.
This is Dasmariñas Village in between BGC and Makati
This type of area is not even part of the discussion. It's like a suburban neighborhood in the middle of the city. Both cities have them, but they're not good examples of walkable urban environments.
Where that large park is located is still an urban area. It's Quezon City- the most populous city in the Philippines. Metro Manila is still more densely populated than Jakarta by far. In Jakarta, it's less than 15,000 people per km2. In Metro Manila, it's 21,000 people per km2
On top of that, Jakarta has a 300 islands within its city limits. Metro Manila has 1. So Jakarta really has no excuse to be less green than Manila, but by some miracle it is. That's probably just 1 reason why Jakarta scores lower on quality of life on both major quality of life indexes (Mercer and the Economist).
That's basically just a suburban area. Looks like Forbes Park, Dasma, or Ugong Norte- where there are nice mansions and then some restaurants on the main roads outside.
This is Dasmarinas Village in between BGC and Makati
This type of area is not even part of the discussion. It's like a suburban neighborhood in the middle of the city. Both cities have them, but they're not good examples of walkable urban environments.
Where that large park is located is still an urban area. It's Quezon City- the most populous city in the Philippines. Metro Manila is still more densely populated than Jakarta by far. In Jakarta, it's less than 15,000 people per km2. In Metro Manila, it's 21,000 people per km2
On top of that, Jakarta has a 300 islands within its city limits. Metro Manila has 1. So Jakarta really has no excuse to be less green than Manila, but by some miracle it is. That's probably just 1 reason why Jakarta scores lower on quality of life on both major quality of life indexes (Mercer and the Economist).
Kebayoran Baru is in the middle of the city, not gated community like Forbes Park or Dasmarinas. Its next to SCBD and have large concentration of upperclass commercial district.
That doesn't make any sense, because 10% green space is city proper percentage not Jabodetabek. Jakarta city proper have population of 10 million, with Jabodetabek it will be 31 million. Metro Manila is 13 million. Therefore surrounding area of Jakarta is far more urbanized and flat, its only natural that Jakarta don't have "huge edge of the city" of greenspace. While in Manila most people are living in much more cramped spaces.
Kebayoran Baru is in the middle of the city, not gated community like Forbes Park or Dasmarinas. Its next to SCBD and have large concentration of upperclass commercial district.
That doesn't make any sense, because 10% green space is city proper percentage not Jabodetabek. Jakarta city proper have population of 10 million, with Jabodetabek it will be 31 million. Metro Manila is 13 million. Therefore surrounding area of Jakarta is far more urbanized and flat, its only natural that Jakarta don't have "huge edge of the city" of greenspace. While in Manila most people are living in much more cramped spaces.
The restaurants you showed are all on Senopati road, not within the residential neighborhoods. Don't be misleading. It's all a suburban area where the houses are separated from the commercial areas. It's not a mixed-used area like BGC. So I'm not even sure why we're discussing these areas. These are not vibrant urban areas but for whatever reason you want to add them to SCBD's land area as if it makes SCBD any more appealing.
It makes perfect sense to compare Jakarta to Metro Manila. It's apples to apples. They have a similar population and land area. Even though Metro Manila it's still more densely populated than Jakarta, the population densities are still close enough to be comparable. The point is Jakarta, being less densely populated should have a lot more green space, but it failed in that regard.
If you want to compare Jabodetabek to Metro Manila- that wouldn't be a fair comparison. Jabodetabek has less then 5,000 people per square km compared to Metro Manila's 21,000 people per square km. Jabodetabek also covers 16 times more land area than Metro Manila. So how would they be an even comparison?
Metro Manila is not a traditional metropolitan area with 1 main city and a bunch of suburbs. The cities in Metro Manila are more comparable to North Jakarta, South Jakarta, Central Jakarta, etc. than to actual cities. ALL of Metro Manila is considered the National Capital Region. It all functions as the capital city. Not everything is concentrated in Manila city. The airport is in Pasay. House of Representatives is in Quezon City. The Senate is also in Pasay City. So you can see how the National Capital Region (Metro Manila) is equivalent to the Special Capital Region (Jakarta). That's why we compare the two.
If you want to only compare Manila City (population 1.7 million) to Jakarta (10 million +). Go ahead, but you know it won't be an apples to apples comparison. Compare the National Capital Region (13 million in 600 sq km) to the Special Capital Region (10 million in 700 sq km). That's a more even comparison
The restaurants you showed are all on Senopati road, not within the residential neighborhoods. Don't be misleading. It's all a suburban area where the houses are separated from the commercial areas. It's not a mixed-used area like BGC. So I'm not even sure why we're discussing these areas. These are not vibrant urban areas but for whatever reason you want to add them to SCBD's land area as if it makes SCBD any more appealing.
It makes perfect sense to compare Jakarta to Metro Manila. It's apples to apples. They have a similar population and land area. Even though Metro Manila it's still more densely populated than Jakarta, the population densities are still close enough to be comparable. The point is Jakarta, being less densely populated should have a lot more green space, but it failed in that regard.
If you want to compare Jabodetabek to Metro Manila- that wouldn't be a fair comparison. Jabodetabek has less then 5,000 people per square km compared to Metro Manila's 21,000 people per square km. Jabodetabek also covers 16 times more land area than Metro Manila. So how would they be an even comparison?
Metro Manila is not a traditional metropolitan area with 1 main city and a bunch of suburbs. The cities in Metro Manila are more comparable to North Jakarta, South Jakarta, Central Jakarta, etc. than to actual cities. ALL of Metro Manila is considered the National Capital Region. It all functions as the capital city. Not everything is concentrated in Manila city. The airport is in Pasay. House of Representatives is in Quezon City. The Senate is also in Pasay City. So you can see how the National Capital Region (Metro Manila) is equivalent to the Special Capital Region (Jakarta). That's why we compare the two.
If you want to only compare Manila City (population 1.7 million) to Jakarta (10 million +). Go ahead, but you know it won't be an apples to apples comparison. Compare the National Capital Region (13 million in 600 sq km) to the Special Capital Region (10 million in 700 sq km). That's a more even comparison
Ah now I remember, I said that because you said people goes to SCBD just to work and go home. And all the life is in the mall. So I point out that people don't go to those area just to work and the city life is not just in shopping malls.
Yes sure we can compare the city proper, lol. Doesn't change the fact that having a large forest on the edge of the city, makes your city green. If we disinclude that forest chunk the green space maybe will drop to 5%. If we want to talk about true proper green and planned city it would be Singapore and Kuala Lumpur.
Historically those urbanized area around Jakarta are scattered hamlets, sugar cane plantation, palm oil plantation, cow field and paddy field. So there was little forest area after independence.
Ah now I remember, I said that because you said people goes to SCBD just to work and go home. And all the life is in the mall. So I point out that people don't go to those area just to work and the city life is not just in shopping malls.
Yes sure we can compare the city proper, lol. Doesn't change the fact that having a large forest on the edge of the city, makes your city green. If we disinclude that forest chunk the green space maybe will drop to 5%. If we want to talk about true proper green and planned city it would be Singapore and Kuala Lumpur.
Historically those urbanized area around Jakarta are scattered hamlets, sugar cane plantation, palm oil plantation, cow field and paddy field. So there was little forest area after independence.
The life of SCBD is inside the mall. Adding Kebayoran Baru does not make SCBD better because that area isn't a walkable area. You won't even find any videos of anyone walking around it except this one
It looks like a hot mess, like most of Manila. Not sure what value this area adds to SCBD, but even if you add it, it still can't touch BGC.
The forest are public parks. La Mesa Ecopark and La Mesa Watershed Reservation. Anyone is allowed to visit there. Jakarta happens to have 300 islands in its city limits. So that's a nice coincidence that should add more green space. Not to mention the city has a lower population density than Metro Manila. But they still manage to have fewer green spaces
The life of SCBD is inside the mall. Adding Kebayoran Baru does not make SCBD better because that area isn't a walkable area. You won't even find any videos of anyone walking around it except this one
It looks like a hot mess, like most of Manila. Not sure what value this area adds to SCBD, but even if you add it, it still can't touch BGC.
The forest are public parks. La Mesa Ecopark and La Mesa Watershed Reservation. Anyone is allowed to visit there. Jakarta happens to have 300 islands in its city limits. So that's a nice coincidence that should add more green space. Not to mention the city has a lower population density than Metro Manila. But they still manage to have fewer green spaces
Well duh of course people walk there that's a shopping area and bus stop. You just don't want to admit that you said people go there to work and leave lol. Plus why need to walk when you have good bus and trains to take you around town. You pay 20 cent and arrived right next to your destination. While majority of people need to go to BGC by car just to walk in nice area? Well that kind of kill the point of being a pedestrian.
Yes some of the islands are preservation but its tiny fraction of the percentage, here I'll show you:
Well duh of course people walk there that's a shopping area and bus stop. You just don't want to admit that you said people go there to work and leave lol. Plus why need to walk when you have good bus and trains to take you around town. You pay 20 cent and arrived right next to your destination. While majority of people need to go to BGC by car just to walk in nice area? Well that kind of kill the point of being a pedestrian.
Yes some of the islands are preservation but its tiny fraction of the percentage, here I'll show you:
Kepulauan Seribu - Thousand Islands
Pusat - Central
No, I will gladly admit it. SCBD is the type of place where you go to work and then leave. Maybe you'll stick around for the indoor mall, but when the mall closes, then what? All the life of the CBD stops.
This is BGC on a Sunday night. I'm not sure how it is in Indonesia, but Sunday is not a work day
There are people everywhere. Many of them live there. It's their neighborhood. Not just an office park where you go for work and maybe for the mall.
and your point about the islands is just proving my point. Very little green space was preserved in Jakarta (less than 10%) even though Jakarta has a lower population density. Big fail.
So sad pinoy so happy to brag their cbd for night entertainment
You can ask to western which one more safest to walk alone at night manila vs jakarta. Iam sure they scare to walk outside manila cbd at night. Even ph regular security carry gun but still criminality higher than Jakarta. Huhu big fail lifeless city
Last edited by pag-pag; 07-06-2020 at 04:00 AM..
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Well that kind of kill the point of being a pedestrian.
