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I don't know. If you are a HOF level player changing teams should not change that. Lebron left Cleveland and Cleveland returned to being bad. Love was just 30. And he was still a 17ppg guy. He had 2 real good seasons.
He was 26 when his first season was with Cleveland. He had ( 2) 26 ppg seasons in Minnesota, and once he is in Cleveland the highest ppg he got was 19, the rest was about 17 ppg. And his rebounds numbers dropped, probably because of tristian Thompson. Those points lost does affect his chances being in the hof.
As a player, when you go back home, people talk. You can be a nba all star or player with a ring, and the ring is because of 2 better players, or you are a hall of famer who didnt get enough help.
It makes alot of sense for a nba starter to be the man in a small team, and be a all star, get max money. While top ten players, they are wasting their life in small market teams due to their endorsements. They will make alot of millions more if they are in a big market team.
As a player, when you go back home, people talk. You can be a nba all star or player with a ring, and the ring is because of 2 better players, or you are a hall of famer who didnt get enough help
I look at others who predict who will be in the HOF. Quite a few think Love will make the HOF. Winning a title does help him. Now if he only played in Cleveland with Lebron and a good team. Perhaps not. He never would have had the 26ppg seasons. He would averages 17 or 18 a game. That is not enough.
Look at players who have had a stretch of big seasons. Like DeRozan or Demarcus Cousins. Or Bradley Beal. Are they HOFers. I don't think so and most prognosticators say no. Not winning a title is a big part of it. If Beal wins in Phoenix that would help him a lot. But Love could have had a career like. Big numbers but only because the teams lacked talent.
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Love was not very instrumental in 2016…Lebron and Kyrie carried that team. He put up a lot of triple-doubles in Minnesota but he was injured for a large part of his time in Cleveland. Five All Star appearances and one Olympics doesn’t exactly scream all-time great either.
Love was not very instrumental in 2016…Lebron and Kyrie carried that team. He put up a lot of triple-doubles in Minnesota but he was injured for a large part of his time in Cleveland. Five All Star appearances and one Olympics doesn’t exactly scream all-time great either.
I agree but look who gets in. Vlade Divac. Yes he played in Europe before he was 21 but is NBA numbers are not close to Love. His career numbers are 11 points and 8 reb. He is most known for being traded for Kobe Bryant.
How about Gus Johnson? Gus's best year he averaged 20 ppg. 5 all star selections and one ABA championship (he averaged 6 points a game that year). Vlade is in. Johnson is in. Love should be in.
I agree but look who gets in. Vlade Divac. Yes he played in Europe before he was 21 but is NBA numbers are not close to Love. His career numbers are 11 points and 8 reb. He is most known for being traded for Kobe Bryant.
How about Gus Johnson? Gus's best year he averaged 20 ppg. 5 all star selections and one ABA championship (he averaged 6 points a game that year). Vlade is in. Johnson is in. Love should be in.
I think for divac, part of the reason is he opened basketball to the poorer european cointries, he was the face. There was drazen, then peja, etc. If its purely on numbers and he made the all star team once, then every player who made 1 all star team should be in the hof.
Vlade is in as much for his international career with the Yugoslav team as anything. One of the top FIBA and Euroleague players of all time, and we’ll-rounded in his game with points, RB, assists, steals & blocks. A lot of people forget it’s a basketball HOF, not NBA HOF.
I look at others who predict who will be in the HOF. Quite a few think Love will make the HOF. Winning a title does help him. Now if he only played in Cleveland with Lebron and a good team. Perhaps not. He never would have had the 26ppg seasons. He would averages 17 or 18 a game. That is not enough.
Look at players who have had a stretch of big seasons. Like DeRozan or Demarcus Cousins. Or Bradley Beal. Are they HOFers. I don't think so and most prognosticators say no. Not winning a title is a big part of it. If Beal wins in Phoenix that would help him a lot. But Love could have had a career like. Big numbers but only because the teams lacked talent.
Kevin love averaged 26 ppg twice, had he been in Cleveland his whole career, his prime might average 18 ppg like you said, as a third wheel. if so he probably can get a max contract from 1 desperate team. Had he been in Minnesota and is the man, 100% of the teams will throw a max deal in his face. Had love been worse as a player and averaged 20 ppg, 10 rpg in Minnesota, 14 ppg, 8rpg in Cleveland, its the difference between getting a max deal from 1 team, to have no shot of a max deal. He would have lost more than 50 million through out his career.
Beal got a max deal, had he been a third wheel, theres no shot of a max deal if he only averaged 20 ppg, his size will make teams think twice to give him such money.
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Kevin love averaged 26 ppg twice, had he been in Cleveland his whole career, his prime might average 18 ppg like you said, as a third wheel. if so he probably can get a max contract from 1 desperate team. Had he been in Minnesota and is the man, 100% of the teams will throw a max deal in his face. Had love been worse as a player and averaged 20 ppg, 10 rpg in Minnesota, 14 ppg, 8rpg in Cleveland, its the difference between getting a max deal from 1 team, to have no shot of a max deal. He would have lost more than 50 million through out his career.
Beal got a max deal, had he been a third wheel, theres no shot of a max deal if he only averaged 20 ppg, his size will make teams think twice to give him such money.
Look at Chris Bosh. About the closest comparison to Kevin Love. Their career paths are almost exactly the same. Played on a bad team and put up 22-24ppg and about 10 boards. Goes to Miami and puts up 16-18ppg as the 3rd wheel. Gets 2 titles. He is in the HOF. Their career numbers are similar. I would say Bosh is a better defender and Love is a better passer.
Look at Chris Bosh. About the closest comparison to Kevin Love. Their career paths are almost exactly the same. Played on a bad team and put up 22-24ppg and about 10 boards. Goes to Miami and puts up 16-18ppg as the 3rd wheel. Gets 2 titles. He is in the HOF. Their career numbers are similar. I would say Bosh is a better defender and Love is a better passer.
Kevin love has a shot of the hof because he averaged 26ppg and was a supurb rebounder, and later won a chip with lebron. Had bosh been drafted into a miami as a third wheel, he would not have been in the hof.
Dame lillard is 100% in the hof, can you imagine what if he was drafted into the lakers and they had lebron and jokic? Dame might average 15 ppg in his prime. Lebron and jokic each had 56%+ fg% in their primes, while dame was hovering around 44%. It makes too much sense for dame to not shoot and all the shots will go to jokic and lebron to win multiple championships. If he shoots too much, the coach will have issues with that, and fans would accuse him of padding his stats. Dame will not have any shot of the hof. These are just wild examples but theres a reason dame did well in portland. He probably is not as good as everyone think, but he is still a very good player.
I watched kenny smith talk about having a third star in a team, and the weakest star will have less points, and he said when all stars are in bad teams, the game doesnt matter as much so theres less stress, defense. He then said something like once that star comes and join a team with 2 stars, thats when they realize theyre not that good, as they get exposed.
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