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Grow up! Its not a THREAT! If Russia invades a sovereign state then Russia are the 'bad guys', Russia are the agressors, Russia ARE IN THE WRONG, the world needs to punish such actions because the world needs to react to foreign aggression against ANY sovereign state - The Ukraine is a sovereign state:-
Yes, the Ukrainians are bombing hospitals and schools in Donbas.
Some intervention is needed for them to stop.
You know, we ( the Russian speakers) have seen so much suffering, death and destruction through these last seven years, with these people ( Eastern Ukraine) being surrounded by the silent wall of the "international community" - it's not even funny.
So I don't even care if Putin *stages* anything at this point - the evacuation of children-elderly, the mobilization to protect what's left of these people/republics - their suffering needs to be resolved already, and they DEFINITELY shouldn't be pushed into being part of "Ukraine" ever again.
Those that wanted to join it, left already long time ago.
^ Lat time I checked Ukraine is the only good country in eastern europe and everything else is either pro-russian or literally Russia - don't criticize Ukraine or Biden may hear you...
Yes, it's pretty much the bottom line - point at the nature of the nationalist state in Ukraine, and you are labeled as "Putin bot" or someone who disseminates the "Russian propaganda."
And that's how it works within the Ukraine too by the way - don't you dare to criticize the actions of the government, you will be shut down pretty fast.
Because you are a "supporter of the Russian aggression and Putin."
Yep.
Pre-WWI - (1772 to 1914), Ukraine was a province in the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
After WWI - (1918), it was divided among four states. Bukovina was annexed to Romania. Transcarpathia was joined to the new country of Czechoslovakia. Poland incorporated Galicia and western Volhynia, together with smaller adjacent areas in the northwest. The lands east of the Polish border constituted Soviet Ukraine.
After WWII - (1945), it was part of the Soviet Union until 1990.
In 1954 - The Crimean Oblast was included in Ukraine. This decision was so random, it will always puzzle me.
We aren't talking about cohesive or long-lived nation. Yet, according US news - Russia is taking over some independent country with a long history of self rule and with no cultural ties to Russia. For all the media knows Russia is planning on taking over a county like Spain or France. All Putin wants is no missiles on his doorstep.
Meantime, Poland is taking in Ukrainian refugees than other country.
Germany and Italy didn't exist just 200 years ago. Poland historically was split among different countries over the course of centuries. So according to your statement, if some foreign country decided to invade and annex them it would be a legitimate move on the grounds that they are recently independent countries?
If Ukraine's existence as an independent nation makes no sense because it is not 100% ethnically homogeneous, then most countries in this world have no reason to be, in particular Russia. It is nothing but patchwork of people who have next to nothing in common other than living under the Kremlin's rule. The Russians preferred to go through 2 bloody wars rather than allow Chechnya to go on its own.
Are Eastern Europeans falling for anti-Russian propaganda?
I don't think many Eastern Europeans are falling for Russian propaganda. Most Eastern Europeans will be glad to be part of NATO now and not being threatened to be invaded like the Ukraine, a sovereign country. And most are happy to live in democracies with independent media, fair elections, etc. unlike Belarus and Russia.
What I don't understand, is why would this be such a stumbling block for "NATO" (read: US), given the US reaction to missiles being shipped to Cuba in the 1960's?
Hello?
Ruth4Truth, I don't know what gives. Does the US ever learn anything? After watching Afghanistan withdrawal which looked an awful like the US withdrawal from Vietnam, I seriously wonder how stupid our generals are.
Ruth4Truth, I don't know what gives. Does the US ever learn anything? After watching Afghanistan withdrawal which looked an awful like the US withdrawal from Vietnam, I seriously wonder how stupid our generals are.
We have spend 100 years wasting our time and wasting lives and money fighting insane European wars. Enough, ENOUGH! Not to mention the like 400 lesser wars since that time.
Honestly Putin isn't Hitler. Maybe him being in charge would be a good thing. I would sure prefer him than the Taliban.
And, if he wants the USA as well.. I say have at. It may be the only way we can get rid of the MILLIONS of users that are firmly entrenched in this country.
Germany and Italy didn't exist just 200 years ago. Poland historically was split among different countries over the course of centuries. So according to your statement, if some foreign country decided to invade and annex them it would be a legitimate move on the grounds that they are recently independent countries?
Germany was united January 1871 and Italy was united 1861 which is little different from 1954.
Russians have a language, a cuisine and a culture. Germany and Italy had a language, cuisine and a culture.
If you time traveled to 1800, you would recognize an Italian city from a Germany one. The Italian population which be different from a German population. They would speak a different language, eat different food, go to different Churches, have different traditions, and celebrate different holidays. Even Poland and Russia have distinct languages, cuisine, religions and cultures. None of this could be said about the Ukraine.
When the Ukrainians had their 2014 Revolution, the first act was to outlaw the Russian language. Well, Crimea is nearly all Russians - over 80% of the population - their first language is Russian. Add to this that the new Ukrainian government are Neo-Nazi who committed genocide during and after WWII. Putin had no choice but to protect Crimea.
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PETER HITCHENS: Granny gets her gun - from a bunch of shameless neo-Nazis... not that the BBC would ever tell you
he was getting lessons from soldiers in how to fight off the Russians with an AK-47 burp gun. Pictures of the doughty 78-year-old also featured in several newspapers last Monday.
But it was only in the film that you could see the shoulder-flashes worn by the soldiers. These display a sinister, jagged symbol called the ‘Wolfsangel’. This is an explicitly Nazi emblem, originally used by Hitler’s ‘Das Reich’ Waffen SS division.
This unit is still famous for murdering 200 people in Serbia, for a massacre of 920 Jews in Minsk, now in Belarus, for hanging 99 people in retaliation for French Resistance operations in Tulle.
But above all it is notorious for the mass murder in the French village of Oradour-sur-Glane, in which the SS men machine-gunned or burned to death 642 civilians, including women and children. The Wolfsangel can be seen in archive pictures of the Das Reich division’s tanks.
The patches worn by their Ukrainian fans also carry the word ‘Azov’ and so proclaim that they are members of the ‘Azov Battalion’. Who? An FBI investigator said in 2018 that the Azov Battalion was a ‘paramilitary unit… known for its association with neo-Nazi ideology and the use of Nazi symbolism’.
One of the roots of the Russia-Ukraine problem is, alas, the existence of some very crude and nasty factions of Ukrainian nationalism, many of them unblushing neo-Nazis. Of course there are plenty of perfectly civilised Ukrainian patriots, but bigoted racialist thugs have an influence way beyond their numbers in that country.
That is why so many Russians living in Ukraine have often felt excluded and have yearned to be ruled instead from Russia.
And that explains a lot of other things now going on.
Ukraine is a sovereign state, it is a country, whatever goes on within the Ukraine is the business of Ukraine. It will be up to the rest of the world to decide on sanctions against the Ukraine if need be. If Russia invades any country or sovereign state then Russia is in the wrong, whether it is the country of Ukraine, Greece, Germany or Honduras.
If it makes you feel any better then if the Ukraine was to invade Russia or Germany or France then the world would be equally as disgusted.
Germany was united January 1871 and Italy was united 1861 which is little different from 1954.
Russians have a language, a cuisine and a culture. Germany and Italy had a language, cuisine and a culture.
If you time traveled to 1800, you would recognize an Italian city from a Germany one. The Italian population which be different from a German population. They would speak a different language, eat different food, go to different Churches, have different traditions, and celebrate different holidays. Even Poland and Russia have distinct languages, cuisine, religions and cultures. None of this could be said about the Ukraine.
When the Ukrainians had their 2014 Revolution, the first act was to outlaw the Russian language. Well, Crimea is nearly all Russians - over 80% of the population - their first language is Russian. Add to this that the new Ukrainian government are Neo-Nazi who committed genocide during and after WWII. Putin had no choice but to protect Crimea.
You have a superficial knowledge of Russia. DO you really believe that in such a large country it would be possible or the population to be completely homogenous? Russia is a land with many, many different ethnicities. Don't confuse Russian citizenship with ethnic Russian a.k.a. "slavic Russia". There's even 2 terms in the Russian language "Rus" for ethnic Slavic Russian, and "Russyan" for citizens of Russia. Many Russians aren't Orthodox, but Muslim, Shamanism, or even Buddhist. Check the Republic of Kalmukia, chances are you'll be surprised.
Italy is still a country with a strong regionalism sentiment, despite over a century of trying to implement the Italian identity. People from the Frioul region have of Italian only the name. They don't even speak Italian, but German. The Italian language differs greatly depending on the region, cf Neapolitan songs. The North and the South hate each other's guts. The Lega Del Nord wants to part ways with the southern "scafoni". Note that I won't even mention Trieste's situation.
Same thing for Germany. Bavaria is traditionally catholic, crucifix are allowed inside classrooms. The Eastern part of the country was a USSR puppet state until mere 30 years ago.
If those countries are credible enough as independent sovereign nations, I don't see why Ukraine wouldn't.
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