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Why can't those of us who can't afford high premiums be put in huge general pool and they lower the cost by making us a group of their own. That would cover everyone and the costs would be lower? .
I recently applied for a medicaid plan through United Healthcare. I have not been approved yet I am waiting to hear. I could qualify for full medicaid or one of other plans where the monthly premium is like $25.00 per month. I live in NY. I only work part time as a sub in a school cafeteria and do not get paid for summers off and hubby just lost his job 2 months ago after 21 years in the same job. His boss was paying for our health insurance, all we paid for was Rx's and co-pays which were $30 for doctor and $50 for specialist. To go on Cobra would cost us $800 a month, that's insane!!! He starts a part time job Monday and I feel we should be able to get this insurance. Not only is hard to get affordable health coverage but it's hard to get a full time job these days.
Listen to yourself " I LIKE " and " I WANT " . Always what the individual wants right?
Never what's good for our country as a whole.
I'm a nationalist. Close the border, enforce it and take care our our own which includes taking care of the people that can least afford preventative healthcare.
When people stop thinking in a first person selfish sort of way we can all pull together to get things done.
Stop being the child who demands ME ME ME and start asking what can I do to help this country.
Remember the world is not a golf ball but much larger than your myopic view of it.
Who is the "we" golfgal should worry about instead of her "me"?
Who is "the country"?
I'm sure there are a lot of hard-working people in this country who do their best to try to help themselves - but fall short. OTOH - I am also sure there are a lot of people in this country who are just as "me" as golfgal - but expect other people to pay their freight when it comes to health care (because paying for health care isn't as much fun as having an iPhone). Robyn
The we are the 46+ million and counting without healthcare coverage until the ACA provides relief to some but not all.
You are already paying through the nose for those without insurance.
Your insurance premiums along with mine and Golfgal's continue to rise exponentially and will continue to rise until the ACA assists in reigning in out of control costs.
It's much less expensive to approach this in a universal single payer plan than to have those without insurance continue to have chronic illnesses and disease that if caught early would save not only the life and well being of that person but would also save the countries population large amounts of money as well IE yourself Robyn.
As I told Golfgal, think outside yourself and towards a collective whole and everyone wins.
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Originally Posted by Robyn55
Who is the "we" golfgal should worry about instead of her "me"?
Who is "the country"?
I'm sure there are a lot of hard-working people in this country who do their best to try to help themselves - but fall short. OTOH - I am also sure there are a lot of people in this country who are just as "me" as golfgal - but expect other people to pay their freight when it comes to health care (because paying for health care isn't as much fun as having an iPhone). Robyn
I recently applied for a medicaid plan through United Healthcare. I have not been approved yet I am waiting to hear. I could qualify for full medicaid or one of other plans where the monthly premium is like $25.00 per month. I live in NY. I only work part time as a sub in a school cafeteria and do not get paid for summers off and hubby just lost his job 2 months ago after 21 years in the same job. His boss was paying for our health insurance, all we paid for was Rx's and co-pays which were $30 for doctor and $50 for specialist. To go on Cobra would cost us $800 a month, that's insane!!! He starts a part time job Monday and I feel we should be able to get this insurance. Not only is hard to get affordable health coverage but it's hard to get a full time job these days.
How would you like a plan that guaranteed you health care whether you were working or not?,a plan that covered you from cradle to grave the cost of which came from taxes. its the way the rest of the world does it.
Listen to yourself " I LIKE " and " I WANT " . Always what the individual wants right?
Never what's good for our country as a whole.
I'm a nationalist. Close the border, enforce it and take care our our own which includes taking care of the people that can least afford preventative healthcare.
When people stop thinking in a first person selfish sort of way we can all pull together to get things done.
Stop being the child who demands ME ME ME and start asking what can I do to help this country.
Remember the world is not a golf ball but much larger than your myopic view of it.
Then you live in the wrong country. That is not what the US is about.
I can help the country by supporting local clinics owned by doctors or even major companies that provide jobs, pay taxes, contribute to charities, support little league teams, etc. We shop locally as much as possible, we vote, we pay our taxes in one of the highest taxed states in the Union gladly because it gets us a great standard of living, including very reasonable health insurance and top notch medical care. Go to a national plan and the best of the best are no longer attracted to the system, research falls off and the quality of care goes down, period. How many medical advances have come out of England in the past 50 years besides thalidomide?
Then you live in the wrong country. That is not what the US is about.
I can help the country by supporting local clinics owned by doctors or even major companies that provide jobs, pay taxes, contribute to charities, support little league teams, etc. We shop locally as much as possible, we vote, we pay our taxes in one of the highest taxed states in the Union gladly because it gets us a great standard of living, including very reasonable health insurance and top notch medical care. Go to a national plan and the best of the best are no longer attracted to the system, research falls off and the quality of care goes down, period. How many medical advances have come out of England in the past 50 years besides thalidomide?
So I assume you have a job with "very reasonable health insurance and top notch medical care", but what would you do if you lose your job in the absence of a national plan? Some people would then expect people like you to still pay their freight when it comes to health care, because paying for health care isn't as much fun as having an iPhone. What if you get a new job but now you have a $5,000 deductible and the premiums are $1,200 a month? Or if you have pre-existing conditions and become one of the 46 million without healthcare coverage because no insurer will insure you?
Other people in this country who are pro-ACA and pro-single payer/universal health simply want you to have health care no matter even if you find yourself in a less fortunate situation despite working hard all your life. This is the country I live in, that is what the U.S. is about, with people who care about health care for the less fortunate. If I were all about ME ME ME, I guess I wouldn't care about health benefits for you if you lose your job, but I'm not.
Last edited by fumbling; 08-11-2012 at 10:56 AM..
Reason: edited to add link to papa john's warning against obamacare
One's point of view really is affected by where they are on the economic scale. If you are in a two-income household with solid jobs, live a in progressive but not excessively liberal state like Minnesota, have higher than the national average earnings as Minnesota does, then you don't want that boat rocked.
I can understand this.
Must say, from gg's description of Minnesota, if I were younger I'd be living there. WI also is a high-tax state, but with an ignorant governor and consequently government, and too much in the way of poverty in comparison to Minnesota because we are still paying the price of being a welfare magnet state in the 70's and 80's. The welfare mentality is now generationally entrenched and an economic drag on the SE part of the state for sure. Our narrow-minded, ignorant governor of barely average intelligence doesn't help.
ACA might help to equalize the disparities, but those now in a very comfortable position are threatened. That is very clear.
The we are the 46+ million and counting without healthcare coverage until the ACA provides relief to some but not all.
You are already paying through the nose for those without insurance.
Your insurance premiums along with mine and Golfgal's continue to rise exponentially and will continue to rise until the ACA assists in reigning in out of control costs.
It's much less expensive to approach this in a universal single payer plan than to have those without insurance continue to have chronic illnesses and disease that if caught early would save not only the life and well being of that person but would also save the countries population large amounts of money as well IE yourself Robyn.
As I told Golfgal, think outside yourself and towards a collective whole and everyone wins.
Your "we" is a pretty diverse group. About 20% now are people who are not legally in the US. Another substantial % is people who can afford to buy insurance - but remain uninsured voluntarily. A lot of this second group consists - predictably - of younger and healthier people. There is absolutely nothing in the ACA that deals with these 2 groups of people (except for the pathetically small "tax" imposed on people who can afford to buy insurance but who remain uninsured voluntarily).
I would be ok with a system that imposed a tax on all people who are legally in this country at a rate of about perhaps 10% of gross income for those above the poverty level (most really poor people are probably already on Medicaid). But that wouldn't deal at all with the problem of the 20% illegals. And the voluntarily uninsured wouldn't like a system like that. Note that living in Florida - I am already paying a fair amount of taxes for the approximately 7% of the population that's illegal (whether it's for schools - emergency rooms - or whatever) - and I'm not inclined to pay more. Nor am I inclined to pay anything for someone who can afford to buy basic health insurance - but refuses to do so. So what would you do with these 2 groups?
Note that I don't see how my health care costs (or taxes) will go anywhere but up if I'm forced to pay for more people in the system without forcing these people to pay money into a system that provides insurance for them. Robyn
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