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Old 09-29-2010, 08:46 AM
 
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I guess the mods will need to close this thread since we now have a troll....
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Old 09-29-2010, 08:53 AM
 
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Troll is gone.

Jew:
noun
A member of the people and cultural community whose traditional religion is Judaism and who trace their origins through the ancient Hebrew people of Israel to Abraham.
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Old 09-29-2010, 12:22 PM
 
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William Tenn's futuristic story "On Venus, Have We Got A Rabbi" in the anthology "Wandering Stars" takes on the volatile issue of "Who is a Jew?" -- a question certainly as timely in 2010 as he imagines it will be in 2533. Asimov's "Unto the Fourth Generation" takes on the issue of Jews as endangered species in America, a theme that is even more apparent today than it was in 1974. Davidson's "The Golem" humorously plants the Frankenstein monster of Jewish folklore right in the middle-class bungalow culture of contemporary Hollywood, California.

The classic first collection in its genre, Wandering Stars reminds us that we are still studying, still suffering, still making jokes and myth, and still trying to figure out what it means to be Jewish. You don't have to be Jewish to enjoy this clever book. We laughed out loud reading it.


An Anthology of Jewish Fantasy & Science Fiction
Edited by Jack Dann
With an Introduction by Isaac Asimov

Here is the distinguished list of contributors to Wandering Stars, originally published in 1974:

Bernard Malamud Isaac Bashevis Singer
Isaac Asimov Robert Silverberg
Harlan Ellison Pamela Sargent
Avram Davidson Geo. Alec Effinger
Horace L. Gold Robert Sheckley
William Tenn Carol Carr
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Old 09-29-2010, 05:17 PM
 
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William Tenn's futuristic story "On Venus, Have We Got A Rabbi" in the anthology "Wandering Stars" takes on the volatile issue of "Who is a Jew?" -- a question certainly as timely in 2010 as he imagines it will be in 2533. Asimov's "Unto the Fourth Generation" takes on the issue of Jews as endangered species in America, a theme that is even more apparent today than it was in 1974. Davidson's "The Golem" humorously plants the Frankenstein monster of Jewish folklore right in the middle-class bungalow culture of contemporary Hollywood, California.

The classic first collection in its genre, Wandering Stars reminds us that we are still studying, still suffering, still making jokes and myth, and still trying to figure out what it means to be Jewish. You don't have to be Jewish to enjoy this clever book. We laughed out loud reading it.


An Anthology of Jewish Fantasy & Science Fiction
Edited by Jack Dann
With an Introduction by Isaac Asimov

Here is the distinguished list of contributors to Wandering Stars, originally published in 1974:

Bernard Malamud Isaac Bashevis Singer
Isaac Asimov Robert Silverberg
Harlan Ellison Pamela Sargent
Avram Davidson Geo. Alec Effinger
Horace L. Gold Robert Sheckley
William Tenn Carol Carr
Is that available offline you think? Old sci fi tends to be better in my opinion than new sci fi.
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Old 09-29-2010, 05:23 PM
 
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I left out Messianics as they are Christian, not Jewish and I always lump orthodox together although I do know the differences.
See we agree. If you consider a person born to a Jewish mother not to be a Jew if they convert to a new religion how is that different from my position that there should be separate terms in English for actual practicing Jews and those who do not practice?

And to my earlier question. Yes, Sephardi, Ashkenazi, and Mizrahi refer to geographic origin, but at the same time if someone refers to Sephardic Jews they are by definition not talking about non-Sephardic Jews. So there are already terms in use that separate Jews into groups. For that matter the terms Reform, Orthodox, and Conservative do the same thing.
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Old 09-29-2010, 05:24 PM
 
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Is that available offline you think?
A Google search reveals that Amazon indicates that they have it.

The Science Fiction Book Club is also a good source for older Sci Fi books.
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Old 09-29-2010, 05:30 PM
 
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If you consider a person born to a Jewish mother not to be a Jew if they convert to a new religion ...
Because of the history of Jews being forced under threat of death to convert to Christianity or Islam, Judaism does not recognize conversion from Judaism to some other faith.

On the other hand, a Jew who practices idolatry by the worship of Jesus of Nazareth will be barred from Heaven.

(Christians who who worship Jesus of Nazareth are judged by a more liberal standard, and, if they are otherwise a good person, they can get into Heaven.)
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Old 09-29-2010, 05:58 PM
 
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Because of the history of Jews being forced under threat of death to convert to Christianity or Islam, Judaism does not recognize conversion from Judaism to some other faith.

On the other hand, a Jew who practices idolatry by the worship of Jesus of Nazareth will be barred from Heaven.
So then Jazzymom was theologically incorrect about what she said?
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Old 09-29-2010, 06:31 PM
 
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So then Jazzymom was theologically incorrect about what she said?
If you are referring to Jewish Messianics (Jews for Jesus, etc.), then, yes, that would be theologically incorrect as these (misguided) folks are still Jewish if they were Jewish before their "conversion".
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Old 09-29-2010, 06:34 PM
 
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Messianic Christians, those Christians that have adopted some Jewish practices, are not Jewish.
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