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Good post Malamute and I agree. In order to remain a diverse country while still retaining our basic identity culturally and linguistically immigrants must come from various countries and backgrounds rather than one in particular. Mexico will never get its act together if their citizens keep fleeing here illegally by the millions. Why so little pride in their own country? Isn't it worth fighting for?
Do you even have an inkling of what life in Mexico is like?
To suggest that the everyday citizens can turn it around when everyone else is failing is ridiculous.
And actually, many are fleeing here legally
Another great example of the American "I'm allright Jack, pull the ladder up"
Maybe if YOU were living there you may feel differently.
You gonna stay there with a wife and 3 kids and "fight it out" against the drug barons etc?
I don't think so. Many Americans are so short sighted, insular and spoilt they don't have a clue what life is like anywhere else.
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Do you even have an inkling of what life in Mexico is like?
To suggest that the everyday citizens can turn it around when everyone else is failing is ridiculous.
And actually, many are fleeing here legally
I do and in spite of the rhetoric of the illegals, Mexico is not a terrible country. It's among the 14 richest nation, it's a land of billionaires, the number rivaling nations like England, Germany.
There is a growing middle class in Mexico.
Life in Mexico for those people who finish their education is different than for those who never attend school or drop out by the third grade. And contrary to the illegals, Mexico has schools, it has public schools and universities.
Life in Mexico for people who delay the start of a family until they have finished school, obtained a job and have married is different than it is for those who start breeding at 14 or 15 years of age.
Life in Mexico for those people who have one baby after another when they cannot afford children is different than those who have a responsible attitude toward their children and limit family size to what they can afford.
Improving a nation also includes improving oneself, keeping your kids in school and not just for the free meals in the schools of the USA, finishing school yourself.
Also Mexico has a democracy where people elect their political leaders. Improving a country can mean being a responsible voter. And an educated voter. Voting people and parties out of office.
Mexico doesn't have an overly generous welfare program and the fact is, people who have no education, no ability to learn English, children by the time they're 16 years old cannot make it in the USA living off those very low wages anymore than Americans can.
In Mexico they aren't paid to lay around and produce more children, they aren't handed food stamps and WIC, health care is nationalized and affordable but not completely free like in the USA. The welfare rates show they aren't really making it here. Try making it here with 8 or 9 kids and a busboy job.
I don't think that we really need any more immigrants legal/illegal in the USA with the situation as it is today.
If the immigrants have skills, they could help with the funding of SS/Medicare; however, where will they find those jobs or employment or will the government or those of us who are taxpayers subsidize a lifestyle for them. I sure hope not.
I do and in spite of the rhetoric of the illegals, Mexico is not a terrible country. It's among the 14 richest nation, it's a land of billionaires, the number rivaling nations like England, Germany.
There is a growing middle class in Mexico.
Life in Mexico for those people who finish their education is different than for those who never attend school or drop out by the third grade. And contrary to the illegals, Mexico has schools, it has public schools and universities.
Life in Mexico for people who delay the start of a family until they have finished school, obtained a job and have married is different than it is for those who start breeding at 14 or 15 years of age.
Life in Mexico for those people who have one baby after another when they cannot afford children is different than those who have a responsible attitude toward their children and limit family size to what they can afford.
Improving a nation also includes improving oneself, keeping your kids in school and not just for the free meals in the schools of the USA, finishing school yourself.
Also Mexico has a democracy where people elect their political leaders. Improving a country can mean being a responsible voter. And an educated voter. Voting people and parties out of office.
Mexico doesn't have an overly generous welfare program and the fact is, people who have no education, no ability to learn English, children by the time they're 16 years old cannot make it in the USA living off those very low wages anymore than Americans can.
In Mexico they aren't paid to lay around and produce more children, they aren't handed food stamps and WIC, health care is nationalized and affordable but not completely free like in the USA. The welfare rates show they aren't really making it here. Try making it here with 8 or 9 kids and a busboy job.
You could say that about the USA, UK or any other country.
The USA has one of the highest numbers (if not the highest) of teen pregnancies in the developed world
Many Americans can't speak intelligible English, or,in fact, American
health care is nationalized and affordable but not completely free like in the USA.
Healthcare in what circumstances is completelty free in the US?
You mean they would get their yearly PAP smears/colonoscopies, mammograms etc free?
Are we stil talking about LEGAL immigration here? We should be.
If the US lets people in legally and gives them LPR status then they are entitled to everything that a US citizen is entitled to, with the exception of being able to vote.
Are you suggesting that the US lets them come and live here legally and then lets them die on the streets just because they don't meet with middle class Americas expectations of what is acceptable?
Damn fine mess construction industry would be in without the Mexicans doing the hard labor
I don't think that we really need any more immigrants legal/illegal in the USA with the situation as it is today.
If the immigrants have skills, they could help with the funding of SS/Medicare; however, where will they find those jobs or employment or will the government or those of us who are taxpayers subsidize a lifestyle for them. I sure hope not.
As this is the legal immigration forum we should (I am) be talking about legal immigrants.
The huge majority of legal immigrants pay taxes of some sort.
As I posted before, 140,000 each year get LPR immigrant visas through a job offer (which if you look at the requirements for employment based visas usually means a Bachelors degree minimum)
If you add the number of immigrants here on non-immigrant visas (usually Masters level jobs) then that's another 100,000 plus each year.
Actually, the US does very well out of those that are here working on non-immigrant visas with no guarantee of ever getting LPR status.
Take someone here on an H-1B 3 yr non-immigrant visa.
Masters level education and employed in a position that requires a Masters.
Not here through an agency or inter-company transfer.
Spouse/16 yr old son not allowed to work (despite having a job offer and LPR petition submitted in 2007) but still need a car and somewhere to live.
Doesn't qualify for welfare
For this person to adjust status to become a LPR E-B2, job has to be readvertised and go through Labor certification (about a year) to prove they aren't taking a job away from a US citizen.
As this is the legal immigration forum we should (I am) be talking about legal immigrants.
The huge majority of legal immigrants pay taxes of some sort.
As I posted before, 140,000 each year get LPR immigrant visas through a job offer (which if you look at the requirements for employment based visas usually means a Bachelors degree minimum)
If you add the number of immigrants here on non-immigrant visas (usually Masters level jobs) then that's another 100,000 plus each year.
Actually, the US does very well out of those that are here working on non-immigrant visas with no guarantee of ever getting LPR status.
Take someone here on an H-1B 3 yr non-immigrant visa.
Masters level education and employed in a position that requires a Masters.
Not here through an agency or inter-company transfer.
Spouse/16 yr old son not allowed to work (despite having a job offer and LPR petition submitted in 2007) but still need a car and somewhere to live.
Doesn't qualify for welfare
For this person to adjust status to become a LPR E-B2, job has to be readvertised and go through Labor certification (about a year) to prove they aren't taking a job away from a US citizen.
Has anybody thought about contributions made by International Student. They have to pay very high tuition/fees etc. They are not eligible for any educational loan. Not allowed to work outside campus. they bring thousands of dollars from their home country and pump up the university town economy in rent/food/tuition/fees. after their studies get finished, they are overlooked for jobs.
Has anybody thought about contributions made by International Student. They have to pay very high tuition/fees etc. They are not eligible for any educational loan. Not allowed to work outside campus. they bring thousands of dollars from their home country and pump up the university town economy in rent/food/tuition/fees. after their studies get finished, they are overlooked for jobs.
USA earned 20 billion dollars last year due to money brought in by international students. Foreign student education sector is that big. In this forum some people are saying that we should stop people on student visa to improve US economy???? this is hilarious!!!!!!
No more immigrants of any kind. The economy is a disaster and there are no opportunties. The USA cannot afford to have everyone on welfare. You only need look at the mess the EU has caused to see what happens when you allow too many foreign nationals into a country: it changes the very nature of the country. It's clearly evident that certain ethnicities do not value education, honesty, hard work, and respect for law enforcement. Additionally, some ethnicities breed like rabbits!
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Has anybody thought about contributions made by International Student. They have to pay very high tuition/fees etc. They are not eligible for any educational loan. Not allowed to work outside campus. they bring thousands of dollars from their home country and pump up the university town economy in rent/food/tuition/fees. after their studies get finished, they are overlooked for jobs.
As this is the legal immigration forum we should (I am) be talking about legal immigrants.
The huge majority of legal immigrants pay taxes of some sort.
As I posted before, 140,000 each year get LPR immigrant visas through a job offer (which if you look at the requirements for employment based visas usually means a Bachelors degree minimum)
If you add the number of immigrants here on non-immigrant visas (usually Masters level jobs) then that's another 100,000 plus each year.
Actually, the US does very well out of those that are here working on non-immigrant visas with no guarantee of ever getting LPR status.
Take someone here on an H-1B 3 yr non-immigrant visa.
Masters level education and employed in a position that requires a Masters.
Not here through an agency or inter-company transfer.
Spouse/16 yr old son not allowed to work (despite having a job offer and LPR petition submitted in 2007) but still need a car and somewhere to live.
Doesn't qualify for welfare
For this person to adjust status to become a LPR E-B2, job has to be readvertised and go through Labor certification (about a year) to prove they aren't taking a job away from a US citizen.
The thread started in the illegal forum. It was someone suggesting that legal immigration rates be increased to 15 million a year to accomodate all those who want to come here.
The open borders crowd insists that illegals must be allowed to come here illegally because there isn't enough legal immigration and that illegals shouldn't have to bother filling out forms, paying fees or waiting their turn. The pro-illegals think anyone who wants to come, skilled, unskilled, uneducated or educated, able to work or welfare recipient should be handed citizenship when they arrive, no questions asked.
The question remains - how many millions new people can the USA take in and give a cozy comfortable living when jobs are not there?
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