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Old 09-23-2016, 07:37 AM
 
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That is not a human right and if you choose to give up citizenship (which to me sounds crazy) then you give up all rights to this country.
oh no, OP can't have that! he's gonna cry for his momma in the US. he wants to have his cake and eat it too!
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Old 09-23-2016, 07:55 AM
 
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All I want is to hold public office and not be penalized for doing so...

Perhaps the issue is more that for certain career tracs being a dual citizen is needlessly burdening?
Then ask your other country why they are holding on to such archaic laws!
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Old 09-23-2016, 08:19 AM
 
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Then ask your other country why they are holding on to such archaic laws!
the OP wants the US to do it for him. he does't want to do the hard work
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Old 09-23-2016, 09:13 AM
 
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umm, I don't live in the US anymore. I got my degree there though. I am in "that country".

I don't want to say which country it is, for certain political reasons, but it starts with a K and rhymes with "schmenya"...


yep, close enough
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Old 09-23-2016, 09:16 AM
 
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umm, I don't live in the US anymore. I got my degree there though. I am in "that country".

I don't want to say which country it is, for certain political reasons, but it starts with a K and rhymes with "schmenya"...


by all means, goooooo! anyone who is not loyal to the US should not live here in the US as a US citizen. be glad you've had that. go back to kenya and be whoever you want to be. just don't expect to get entry to the US at will
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Old 09-23-2016, 09:23 AM
 
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But, shouldn't there be? I mean, a man has the right to visit his mother regardless of the musings of man written down in ink on mulch. They'd be denying me a fundamental human right..it doesn't seem fair.
It is what it is . . . . maybe they'll change the laws and regulations one day, but what's fair from your perspective doesn't mean a hill of beans.

But you should consult a real immigration lawyer, not some know it all's on a C-D forum.

Mick
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Old 09-23-2016, 09:31 AM
 
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It is what it is . . . . maybe they'll change the laws and regulations one day, but what's fair from your perspective doesn't mean a hill of beans.

But you should consult a real immigration lawyer, not some know it all's on a C-D forum.

Mick


BAM! let him add more to his 30k debt to consult someone on something that is COMMON SENSE and is stated clearly in the citizenship rules. well, he doesn't really care about his 30k debt, does he?
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Old 09-23-2016, 09:33 AM
 
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It was for my bachelor's degree. I will pay it off in full soon, I just resent not being allowed to drop my citizenship until I do. I don't understand what debt has to do with citizenship. I'd pay it off regardless of my citizenship...but, whatever, it's only 30k, not really enough to care too much about.

Sorry for getting an education...my bad..

no, pay it NOW! you don't care about your US citizenship, and you seem to have money enough to build your momma a private airport. so pay it NOW! that way, you don't have to whine about your being a slave to US citizenship and debts
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Old 09-23-2016, 09:42 AM
 
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It was for my bachelor's degree. I will pay it off in full soon, I just resent not being allowed to drop my citizenship until I do. I don't understand what debt has to do with citizenship. I'd pay it off regardless of my citizenship...but, whatever, it's only 30k, not really enough to care too much about.

Sorry for getting an education...my bad..
Please post an official link showing that personal debt has an impact in US citizenship renouncement. Thank you.


This is all you should need besides a ticket. If memory does not fail me the fee is around 2350$.

In order to renounce your US passport you will need a second passport and you are required to bring this with you to your renunciation appointment. Even though expatriation is your right, the State Department will deny anyone the right to renounce their US citizenship if they don't have a second passport. Ensure that the passport you acquire is directly issued by the government in question and never be tempted to purchase one off the Internet.

The documents listed below are the ones required by the State Department to process your renunciation. You only need to fill out DS-4079 before your appointment. DS-4080, 4081, 4082 and 4083 are forms that you should review beforehand but complete at the appointment, since they just have a few check boxes, dates and signatures.

DS-4079: Questionnaire – Information for Determining Possible Loss of U.S. Citizenship, US State

DS-4080: Oath of Renunciation of the Nationality of the United States, US State Dept.

DS-4081: Statement of Understanding Concerning the Consequences and Ramifications of Relinquishment or Renunciation of U.S. Citizenship, US State Dept.

DS-4082: Witnesses’ Attestation Renunciation/Relinquishment of Citizenship, US State Dept.

DS-4083: Certificate of Loss of Nationality of the United States, US State Dept.

Ideally you would book your appointment at the embassy or consulate in the country (and possibly city) where you plan to live once you renounce your passport. However, other embassies and consulates will take you, so it pays to “appointment shop” as the wait times can fluctuate greatly among locations. When you book the appointment, make sure to indicate how many people are renouncing US citizenship, if it’s more than one. If you don’t want to book the appointment yourself, you can have your expat lawyer do it for you. However, having a lawyer book the appointment for you can delay the process in some places, as they may require written proof that your lawyer represents you. They ask for this proof via Form G-28.

Make sure you take both of your passports to your renuncation appointment. Bring your birth certificate and if you have a certificate of naturalization from the country of your second passport, bring that too. There may be a long line just to get inside the embassy or consulate. If there is, politely let them know you have an appointment booked.

Be prepared to complete many copies of each form at the appointment and keep them organized in stacks. Proofread everything you and the official put on the papers. Make sure the signatures are in the right place.

At the end of renunciation appointment you will be provided with DS-4083, called the CLN for Certificate of Loss of Nationality. Keep this in a safe place and do not lose it, as it is the one piece of physical proof that you've completed the process for renouncing US citizenship. It's signed and affixed with an official seal at the appointment. Technically the CLN will need to be approved by the State Department but this can take several months and in the meantime you will need evidence of the day you formally signed renunciation.

Your final tax return will be from January 1st through the day you expatriate. However, the fair market valuation for all your assets is as of the day before. That’s because on the day you renounce, you are no longer a taxable person to the IRS. If your renunciation date is any day other than December 31st, you’ll be filing Form 1040 and 1040NR (if applicable) for your final return: IRS Form 8854, the Expatriation Information Statement, is the exit tax form, and it's filed along with your final return. It’s not especially difficult, but you want to make sure you do it right.

Here are the instructions and the form itself: http://www.irs.gov/instructions/i8854/
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8854.pdf

IRS forms are periodically updated, so make sure you have the most recent one.

The 8854 is targeted at “covered expatriates.” A covered expatriate is someone who meets the wealth criteria established by the IRS. It’s based on having a net worth of $2 million or more, or a threshold annual tax liability from the preceding five years. To read the full definition and see if it applies to you, go here. If you're a “covered expatriate,” complete 8854 with the assistance of an accountant, preferably one who has done them before. If you have any questions that might be sensitive, consult a tax attorney first. You have attorney-client privilege with your lawyer – not your accountant. If you have foreign accounts already extant before you expatriate, you'll also need to file a U.S. Treasury form called the “FBAR” (FinCEN Form 114). You may have done this before since the form applies to all U.S. citizens and is not related to expatriation.
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Old 09-23-2016, 10:12 AM
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fact that natural law trumps human law?
If we get Trump, what trumps what is no longer the same kind of issue.
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