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Old 02-27-2024, 02:10 PM
 
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The governor could appeal loudly and strongly to the President and Congress to change the border and immigration policies immediately, rather than continue to spew partisan partisan talking points.

Of course to the point made earlier in your post, this is not realistic, and will not happen. We have made our beds with this hyper partisan political climate. Both of our ruling parties should be pursuing policies that facilitate (much) more legal immigration, while looking to curb illegal immigration drastically. However, there is no comprise or middle ground anymore and both parties are to blame.
At this point it's not even partisan - initially right wanted cheap labor and left wanted votes but at this point left is buying those votes with so many freebies that are costing taxpayers hundreds of billions if not trillions that there's no longer any incentive to work.
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Old 02-27-2024, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Providence, RI
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The governor could appeal loudly and strongly to the President and Congress to change the border and immigration policies immediately, rather than continue to spew partisan partisan talking points.
She's actually doing some of this. Seems like there's a report or two every week about pleas to the Biden Administration and/or Congress. She's even acknowledged that the trafficking of fentanyl in the U.S. is tied to our current border security problem. In 2016 or 2020, anyone who made such a statement would have been labeled "racist" by Healy's party for saying such a thing. But of course, the "pleas" are fairly toothless and are largely just appeals for money. She's still praising Biden's efforts and putting more of the blame on Congress. So yeah, politics as usual.

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Of course to the point made earlier in your post, this is not realistic, and will not happen. We have made our beds with this hyper partisan political climate. Both of our ruling parties should be pursuing policies that facilitate (much) more legal immigration, while looking to curb illegal immigration drastically. However, there is no comprise or middle ground anymore and both parties are to blame.
Right. It's abundantly clear that both parties find it to be more advantageous to use the immigration crisis as a political tool rather than find a solution. It's infuriating. In 2016, if you so much as hinted that some of the people coming across the border illegally were criminals or carrying drugs, you were a heartless racist according to the Dems, because that made it easy to attack Trump who campaigned heavily on border security ("The Wall!") to keep out "bad hombres." And this, of course, turned out to be more bluster than action because his administration had a republican controlled house and senate and were still unable to fund the wall during the first two years of his presidency. That should have been a layup. And now that the Democrats have finally begun to acknowledge that there's a crisis (because it literally landed on their doorsteps and they truly have no other choice), the Republicans don't want to compromise on taking action because it's one of their biggest political chips in the 2024 election.

So no, instead of reaching a compromise on an issue that both sides actually (finally) agree is, in fact, an issue, we're left with more inaction and rhetoric while already limited resources continue to be depleted. Nobody should be happy with their party's "action" on immigration.
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Old 02-27-2024, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Quincy, Mass. (near Boston)
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I'm still confused on whether most or all of these "migrants" in Massachusetts and other states are even illegal once they follow asylum procedure. Invaders, sure.


Sure, they crossed illegally to get here -- but once here, AS LONG AS THEY APPLY FOR ASYLUM, doesn't that automatically make them legal here? (As long as they simply stay out of trouble and await processing of their claim, which we all know will take years.)

So it's possibly illegal to be here but only if one hasn't filed for asylum for whatever reasons? Once they've filed, they can legally literally sit back and enjoy our largesse for years awaiting a decision? And if denied, I assume they won't simply go back home with a whimper.

Hmmm...

......

And now I've read some from various parts of the world are flying into Canada to then easily cross our border.

And I've read that Venezuelans are in America legally if they came before July 30
or whatever? True? Maybe even if they don't file for asylum? Because of their political turmoil there unlike some groups who invade here simply for economic reasons?

Can trans or gay people be granted asylum here from any country if they claim fear in their country due to sexual discrimination?
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Old 02-27-2024, 02:13 PM
 
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It's really bothersome to know as well that clearly there's plenty of money that could have been used towards other initiatives - roads, public transit, schools, 'affordable housing' that so many people seem to want...but it's all mostly gone to migrants.
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Old 02-27-2024, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Quincy, Mass. (near Boston)
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It's really bothersome to know as well that clearly there's plenty of money that could have been used towards other initiatives - roads, public transit, schools, 'affordable housing' that so many people seem to want...but it's all mostly gone to migrants.
And haven't some public libraries in some states (maybe even in Massachusetts?) had to curtail hours due to budget concerns due to migrants
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Old 02-27-2024, 02:23 PM
 
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And haven't some public libraries in some states (maybe even in Massachusetts?) had to curtail hours due to budget concerns due to migrants
Probably. Hospitals are also closing left and right as well . The state is basically on fire but let's help out all those illegals and make sure they get hotels, clothes, 3 meals a day, rearrange schools and classrooms so their kids can be in school ASAP.
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Old 02-27-2024, 02:26 PM
 
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I'm still confused on whether most or all of these "migrants" in Massachusetts and other states are even illegal once they follow asylum procedure. Invaders, sure.


Sure, they crossed illegally to get here -- but once here, AS LONG AS THEY APPLY FOR ASYLUM, doesn't that automatically make them legal here? (As long as they simply stay out of trouble and await processing of their claim, which we all know will take years.)

So it's possibly illegal to be here but only if one hasn't filed for asylum for whatever reasons? Once they've filed, they can legally literally sit back and enjoy our largesse for years awaiting a decision? And if denied, I assume they won't simply go back home with a whimper.

Hmmm...

......

And now I've read some from various parts of the world are flying into Canada to then easily cross our border.

And I've read that Venezuelans are in America legally if they came before July 30
or whatever? True? Maybe even if they don't file for asylum? Because of their political turmoil there unlike some groups who invade here simply for economic reasons?

Can trans or gay people be granted asylum here from any country if they claim fear in their country due to sexual discrimination?
Would a bank give you a million dollars on the spot if you ask for it after claiming you have it in your account and you promise to give it back tomorrow, pinky swear if it turns out you lied? Because that's essentially what's happening at the border right now.
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Old 02-27-2024, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Eastern Massachusetts
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Just listened our governor on GBH broadcast.. Looks like we are out of luck. She just confirmed that we won't get federal funding for our migrants as bill was blocked.
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Old 02-27-2024, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts & Hilton Head, SC
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I'm still confused on whether most or all of these "migrants" in Massachusetts and other states are even illegal once they follow asylum procedure. Invaders, sure.


Sure, they crossed illegally to get here -- but once here, AS LONG AS THEY APPLY FOR ASYLUM, doesn't that automatically make them legal here? (As long as they simply stay out of trouble and await processing of their claim, which we all know will take years.)

So it's possibly illegal to be here but only if one hasn't filed for asylum for whatever reasons? Once they've filed, they can legally literally sit back and enjoy our largesse for years awaiting a decision? And if denied, I assume they won't simply go back home with a whimper.

Hmmm...

......

And now I've read some from various parts of the world are flying into Canada to then easily cross our border.

And I've read that Venezuelans are in America legally if they came before July 30
or whatever? True? Maybe even if they don't file for asylum? Because of their political turmoil there unlike some groups who invade here simply for economic reasons?

Can trans or gay people be granted asylum here from any country if they claim fear in their country due to sexual discrimination?
Some of the Venezuelans have been granted TPS (Temporary Protected Status) allowing them to stay until that runs out.

The rest of the migrants who are filing asylum claims are permitted by the Biden administration to stay here until such claims are processed. This is backed up now for years, they should not been able to enter the country in the first place. Wait abroad.

Asylum is granted to individuals who can prove they have a fear of their government's persecution. You asked about gays. An example would be a gay man from one of the African nations where he could be imprisoned or possibly put to death. That person would have a really good asylum claim. It is not for economic reasons or "for a better life" like we hear so much.
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Old 02-27-2024, 02:58 PM
 
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if we're really going to go there I'm not sure why we owe them bologna sandwiches.

We don't.
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