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Old 01-17-2024, 04:53 AM
 
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This author points to the angle that if the Army wanted to recruit more diversity (Hispanics), then when the Army gets more Hispanics, the Army is meeting its goals. And who is surprised? The Army?

It’s the original article (in OP) that quoted IT WAS THE ARMY OFFICIALS that highlighted the politicalization effects in the Army.

https://1819news.com/news/item/the-a...ddicted-bigots

“Unfortunately, anyone considering service today can look to myriad examples of the Army failing to meet their end of the bargain. Whether it is a lack of adequate and safe housing for soldiers and their families, the persistence of sexual assault, an inability to address suicide rates or to accurately account for property and funds — or even to develop a comprehensive physical fitness test — the Army, and the Department of Defense more broadly, consistently fail to achieve results. “

“But these shortcomings, while disastrous, pale in comparison to the Army’s ultimate failure: the failure to win wars.”

The point is the Army won its diversity effort. Now 25% of recruits are Hispanic. Now what?
Can all those issues listed by the author (above) be fixed so America can win the next war?
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Old 01-17-2024, 08:03 AM
 
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Funny, the article states this decline started in 2018.

British Army having issues as well! https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...itment-crisis/

It's almost as if it's a problem with today's youth. But nah, it must be political.
It is happening here in Canada too.

If today's youth were the issue, you would see equal recruitment declines across all racial and socio-economic demographics. However, it seems Caucasian recruits are dropping at the fastest rate, while Hispanic and African-American recruitment rates are falling at a slower pace.

My guess is a lack of patriotism and faith in government is the root cause. Who wants to risk their life for garbage pay simply to serve a government they do not trust simply to advance corporate interests?

As for the reason Hispanics and African-Americans are enlisting at higher numbers than Caucasians, a quick look at college enrollment rates answers that question:

In 2018, the college enrollment rate was higher for 18- to 24-year-olds who were Asian (59 percent) than for 18- to 24-year- olds who were White (42 percent), Black (37 percent), and Hispanic (36 percent). The overall college enrollment rate has increased since 2000.

Doesn't military service qualify you for post-secondary education in the U.S.?
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Old 01-17-2024, 09:27 AM
 
Location: South of Cakalaki
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Let me repost this fact yet again, since you are in complete denial.

1) During the last administration, recruiting goals were met.

2) During this administration, recruiting goals are not being met.
Not for white kids. In either. If you could ever look past your self-described bias, you might be more interested in digging into the data.
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Old 01-17-2024, 12:34 PM
 
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Not for white kids. In either. If you could ever look past your self-described bias, you might be more interested in digging into the data.
So you don’t like those statistics and you want me to find others that spin your position in a more favorable light? Seriously?

There are plenty of non-white people in the US, who would consider joining up, but they don’t like this administration, either.
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Old 01-17-2024, 02:28 PM
 
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Well I have never served but am the daughter and sister of a vet. I think there are various factors for this. Because of Afirmative action, they had quotas on how many, blacks, hispnics, asians etc. to fill.Guess white folk were a dime a dozen. Now all of a sudden the situation is reversed. The military dug their own hole. The best qualified regardless of race or religion should be accepted. Tired of us whiteys being blamed for everything. Many of us had ancestors who came here AFTER the civil war, like myself.Didn't have anything to do with it. Also, so many people amongst the young want to be Youtube, TickTok, Instragram and every other social media stars, like Mr.Beast and so on. Figure they can make a lot of money with out having to sweat. Also, the democrates and leftists tear down whites, or even others who love their country and want to serve to keep her safe.They don't understand loyalty and dedication, and again harass those who do, so its not any surprise young whites of both sexes don't join up.
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Old 01-17-2024, 10:02 PM
 
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I wonder why, vets get the run around trying to get VA appointments, drug addicts get better health care than a vet, 30% vet suicide rate, 60% divorce rate, sexual assault incidents so common the military no longer allowed to handle them via UCMJ, involuntary human testing of new drugs,vaccines, bill and va home loan benifits the most likely federal programs to be subject to fraud and predatory practices from the very society they swore to defend, the likelihood one going off to fight someone else's war, or invading someone under false pretense...high, at the same time during your deployment a financial crisis or border crisis allowed to fester and do more damage than any enemy action since pearl harbor or 9 11....self inflicted. All that, and you haven't even touched combat roles and it's inherent risks.

Why would someone serve? If one wonders why recruitment is so low, look in the mirror and ask yourself what makes you worth serving. As a retired vet I could not, in good conscience, advise any young person to serve; but admittedly, I may be a bit salty. It has nothing to do with "the state of todays youth" or quotas or any other ivory tower justification to make it someone elses fault. It has everything to do with the society asking for service and how it treats the poor naive saps that do. It ain't rocket science, it's enlightened self interest.

How our society treats it's vets isn't new, we wouldn't have biker gang's if this was a new phenomenon. We have never had a good track record. The only difference is it is much easier today, via social media and internet, to self educate on the " quiet parts" instead of relying on the blown smoke from a recruiter and a society driven by self interest and profit while demanding "someone else" make the sacrifice.

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Old 01-17-2024, 11:33 PM
 
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Doesn't military service qualify you for post-secondary education in the U.S.?
It does, it's also a program that has one of the highest % rates of fraud and predatory practices from institutions. Only Medicare/cade is higher.

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Old 01-18-2024, 09:26 AM
 
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It does, it's also a program that has one of the highest % rates of fraud and predatory practices from institutions. Only Medicare/cade is higher.
Are you referring to the GI Bill?

And you left off food stamps. Please don’t say that the GI Bill has more fraud than food stamps.
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Old 01-19-2024, 07:25 AM
 
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I wonder why, vets get the run around trying to get VA appointments, drug addicts get better health care than a vet, 30% vet suicide rate, 60% divorce rate, sexual assault incidents so common the military no longer allowed to handle them via UCMJ, involuntary human testing of new drugs,vaccines, bill and va home loan benifits the most likely federal programs to be subject to fraud and predatory practices from the very society they swore to defend, the likelihood one going off to fight someone else's war, or invading someone under false pretense...high, at the same time during your deployment a financial crisis or border crisis allowed to fester and do more damage than any enemy action since pearl harbor or 9 11....self inflicted. All that, and you haven't even touched combat roles and it's inherent risks.

Why would someone serve? If one wonders why recruitment is so low, look in the mirror and ask yourself what makes you worth serving. As a retired vet I could not, in good conscience, advise any young person to serve; but admittedly, I may be a bit salty. It has nothing to do with "the state of todays youth" or quotas or any other ivory tower justification to make it someone elses fault. It has everything to do with the society asking for service and how it treats the poor naive saps that do. It ain't rocket science, it's enlightened self interest.

How our society treats it's vets isn't new, we wouldn't have biker gang's if this was a new phenomenon. We have never had a good track record. The only difference is it is much easier today, via social media and internet, to self educate on the " quiet parts" instead of relying on the blown smoke from a recruiter and a society driven by self interest and profit while demanding "someone else" make the sacrifice.
That’s why I would prefer the VA to be a form of health insurance instead of a medical facility network. Doing so would allow the vet to see the doctor of their choice within their own community. Besides the difficulty getting an appointment, another complaint is the revolving door of doctors as well as doctors of questionable qualifications.
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Old 01-19-2024, 09:43 AM
 
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Let me repost this fact yet again, since you are in complete denial.

1) During the last administration, recruiting goals were met.

2) During this administration, recruiting goals are not being met.
During the last administration the unemployment rate was around 6.3%.

During this administration it’s been around 3.5%.

Mystery solved.
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