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Old 02-17-2024, 01:22 PM
 
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The Chiefs picked up the option on Chris Jones.
They paid his incentives bonus. He is still a free agent. The Chiefs are looking at putting the franchise tag on him, which could carry a weight of $20 million for one year.
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Old 02-17-2024, 07:06 PM
 
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Just good to know, in the confusion of the shooting, Clyde Edwards-Helaire went out into the crowd to help. He took charge of one young man who has PTSD and took him to safety and then went back later to check on him.
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Old 02-18-2024, 03:38 AM
 
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Just good to know, in the confusion of the shooting, Clyde Edwards-Helaire went out into the crowd to help. He took charge of one young man who has PTSD and took him to safety and then went back later to check on him.
Nice to see this. Also read on a news blog that Chiefs safety Justin Reid had found a boy on one of the team buses who had run to it for safety. He protected the boy until law enforcement took control of the situation.
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Old 02-18-2024, 12:36 PM
 
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I agree with all this. Chiefs are a dynasty and could be even more dominant then New England was.
Could very well be. My take on the Patriots long run was they always had a whole bunch of great receivers for Tom Brady to throw to, and an O-line that gave him the time to find one of those receivers who managed to become open.

My concerns for the Chiefs, the Ravens, the Cardinals, etc, is that it could all change in a snap, as in the snap of an ACL or Achilles tendon of a QB. I worry about all of these QBs who use their legs a lot; it's a "single point of failure" type of risk that portends disaster for each team. We saw that happen when Kyler Murray sat out for a year.
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Old 02-18-2024, 02:21 PM
 
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Could very well be. My take on the Patriots long run was they always had a whole bunch of great receivers for Tom Brady to throw to, and an O-line that gave him the time to find one of those receivers who managed to become open.

My concerns for the Chiefs, the Ravens, the Cardinals, etc, is that it could all change in a snap, as in the snap of an ACL or Achilles tendon of a QB. I worry about all of these QBs who use their legs a lot; it's a "single point of failure" type of risk that portends disaster for each team. We saw that happen when Kyler Murray sat out for a year.
You're right about the Patriots, Mike. They had Randy Moss (Hall of Famer), Gronk (future Hall of Famer), and Wes Welker (future Hall of Very Good), to name a few. Also some pretty good defenses that featured Hall of Famers Ty Law, Richard Seymour, and Darelle Revis. BB did a pretty good job at developing all that talent.

And good points about mobile QBs. They are going to probably have shorter careers because they take more hits and subject themselves to greater risk than pocket passers. Lamar and Mahomes have also been hurt. It's only a matter of time before they miss significant time.
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Old 02-20-2024, 08:21 AM
 
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You're right about the Patriots, Mike. They had Randy Moss (Hall of Famer), Gronk (future Hall of Famer), and Wes Welker (future Hall of Very Good), to name a few. Also some pretty good defenses that featured Hall of Famers Ty Law, Richard Seymour, and Darelle Revis. BB did a pretty good job at developing all that talent.

And good points about mobile QBs. They are going to probably have shorter careers because they take more hits and subject themselves to greater risk than pocket passers. Lamar and Mahomes have also been hurt. It's only a matter of time before they miss significant time.
Mahomes doesn't really run much these days and when he does they're focused on ending OB or sliding unless it's like a SB on the line.

Jackson had 148 attempts vs. 75 for Mahomes on the season (ironically Mahomes highest ever).

Three other guys over 100 attempts were Hurts, Allen and Fields.

https://fftoday.com/stats/playerstat...ort_order=DESC


I wonder how many kneel downs or "sacks" that are a 0-1 yard gain skew that.
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Old 02-23-2024, 07:58 AM
 
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Mahomes doesn't really run much these days and when he does they're focused on ending OB or sliding unless it's like a SB on the line.

Jackson had 148 attempts vs. 75 for Mahomes on the season (ironically Mahomes highest ever).

Three other guys over 100 attempts were Hurts, Allen and Fields.

https://fftoday.com/stats/playerstat...ort_order=DESC


I wonder how many kneel downs or "sacks" that are a 0-1 yard gain skew that.
Yes, Jackson, Allen, and Hurts are much more runners. But Mahomes definitely runs more than Brady did. So defenses still have to be aware on any play, he can tuck the ball and run. Go back to the Super Bowl, there were plays that Mahomes definitely wanted to break the containment and run, but the 49ers had him contained.

It would be an interesting research idea to look up how many runs of his were kneels, because he does not really run the QB sneak play.
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Old 02-23-2024, 09:24 AM
 
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Yes, Jackson, Allen, and Hurts are much more runners. But Mahomes definitely runs more than Brady did. So defenses still have to be aware on any play, he can tuck the ball and run. Go back to the Super Bowl, there were plays that Mahomes definitely wanted to break the containment and run, but the 49ers had him contained.

It would be an interesting research idea to look up how many runs of his were kneels, because he does not really run the QB sneak play.
Yeah. I'm sure there are some advanced stats on how many plays break down by category:

Kneels
Sneaks
Scrambles
Designed Runs

Just eyeballing the list of qb's and trying to adjust for 17 games plus watching most of the Cheifs games I'd estimate that for 75 Rushes Mahomes had about half kneels and half scrambles with almost no sneaks or designed runs in the regular season as to not risk injury.
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Old 02-23-2024, 10:29 AM
 
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Yeah. I'm sure there are some advanced stats on how many plays break down by category:

Kneels
Sneaks
Scrambles
Designed Runs

Just eyeballing the list of qb's and trying to adjust for 17 games plus watching most of the Cheifs games I'd estimate that for 75 Rushes Mahomes had about half kneels and half scrambles with almost no sneaks or designed runs in the regular season as to not risk injury.
Probably a fairly accurate assessment. I've watched some Chiefs games, mainly the ones on national tv, and I've never seen Mahomes run a QB sneak. Usually it's a pass, short pass or rush to get the first down.
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Old 02-23-2024, 10:34 AM
 
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Part of me wants to take kneeldowns out of the stats. Let them just call it like an automatic walk in baseball.

Another part of me wants to retain the uncertainty, and it's exciting to watch the time count down with the players on the field. And some teams are better at these plays than others.

Like what if there's a fumble and the other team can score the shocking game winner. But any attempt at a rush is getting unusual in kneeldowns, and when's the last time anyone turned the ball over?

At minimum, it would be ok to take obvious kneeldowns away from the rush stats.
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