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Well, it's riot time again. Are you ready?
Not every SHTF scenario involves the zombie apocolypse. How will you deal with limited unrest?
How will you approach defense when it's not socially or legally appropriate to grab your AR and mag carrier. Have you given any thought to non lethal means of defending your property? Things such as "prison riot" size cans of mace, stun and tear gas grenades? L-rad sonic weapons? (Very expensive.) Electric fences?
Once again businesses have been burned and looted. This more typifies social outrage and mass relief of pent up frustrations than of revolutionary intent. However for the first time I can recall, a police station has been burned down. One early sign of revolution is attacks directed at police and their stations. Likely this will not escalate very far, in past riots things will return to normal in about 3 days, until the next jackboot lands on some minority's neck. Are you prepared to deal within the law with limited unrest/rioting, vs widespread loss of control by authority?
A pawn shop owner is in jail for allegedly shooting a looter, and now his store is looted. Minnesota's "castle doctrine" does not extend to businesses, and it is a "retreat required" state, not "stand your ground." So you can't use lethal force to stop those attacking your property. How will you deal with ignorant (authors political opinion interjection) laws like that should a future riot ensue in your town? We can have all the preps in the world, and guns and ammo up the wazoo, and when less than total anarchy reins if you use them to defend your property most jurisdictions see YOU as the bad guy, and will happily put you in prison so the real bad guys can steal your stuff.
I saw video of a driver hitting a protester somewhere. Are you prepared to run someone down? Or for the fact that you will likely be charged? Seems like this might be a good use of "flip plates."
I was in the LA Riot of '93 and nearly 30 years later little has changed, except for a more militarized police, and we see a repeat. Back then many people were prosecuted after the fact. Something like 55 people were killed, only about half the cases were solved.
We are seeing more frequent riots and growing outrage over such incidents where minorities are treated unjustly. So far the rioting appears to be young people letting off steam. But what if we start seeing outside or more radical elements start sniping police from a distance, instead of burning cars or stores? Even my rural town, as conservative as they come, someone shot out a window at the local republican office last night. If stuffs happening here the urban centers are a tinderbox.
These are just early morning musings, but I hope they will give you things to consider in your preparations as we watch this unfold.
It seems most of these riots are using some social justification as a pretext for looting which seems to be the primary focus.
I'm a long way from any population center, the sheriff and 2 deputies that are the entire police presence in my county aren't violent, the 1200 people in my county are pretty homogeneous and hard working farmers and ranchers that don't have time or the inclination for looting, whoops sorry, "social demonstrations for justice."
Plus we don't have any big box stores, so no flat screens for looting.
Minnesota's "castle doctrine" does not extend to businesses, and it is a "retreat required" state, not "stand your ground." So you can't use lethal force to stop those attacking your property.
I live in a town (state) which encourages "Self Help" (maybe not as strongly as Texas), and in an area where rioting wouldn't be sustainable (not enough fuel for the fire, literally and figuratively).
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How will you deal with ignorant (authors political opinion interjection) laws like that should a future riot ensue in your town? We can have all the preps in the world, and guns and ammo up the wazoo, and when less than total anarchy reins if you use them to defend your property most jurisdictions see YOU as the bad guy, and will happily put you in prison so the real bad guys can steal your stuff.
Anybody serious about "Self-Sufficiency and Preparedness" almost certainly moved out of a town like Minneapolis in the early stages of their preparation.
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Plus we don't have any big box stores, so no flat screens for looting.
I don't see this as a real threat here.
LOL - MT - yes I don't think we'll see too many cowboys looting the local feed store. Our problem is being too close to Vegas (2 hrs away). I've no idea why the GOP office got shot at, might have just been a drunk, there's a bar nearby. There's like 3 democrats in the whole county, and I doubt they own guns.
LOL - MT - yes I don't think we'll see too many cowboys looting the local feed store. Our problem is being too close to Vegas (2 hrs away). I've no idea why the GOP office got shot at, might have just been a drunk, there's a bar nearby. There's like 3 democrats in the whole county, and I doubt they own guns.
Well the last minority riots we had here were in the 70s, (1870s that is), but the local Indians have been pretty quiet since then.
We don't even have a Dollar General here. The one store we do have sells gas, groceries and fishing tackle. The old gal that runs it would make short work of your average thug. I would not like to get cross-wise of the that lady!!!
I agree with Nonesuch. The best prep for this kind of rioting is too move far away from the places it's likely to occur before it becomes an issue.
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LOL - gosh you really are disadvantaged, not even a Dollar General to loot of frozen burritos.
We at least have a Walmart, aka CoVid central... The only rioting we'll see here is seniors blocking the highway with their walkers if they don't open the casinos pdq!
But seriously, it is something to think about. Distance is good. But like I still have my old wooden stock Mini-14. Does the same thing as an AR, but is more "pc" in case of limited unrest.
I don't agree fully with Nonesuch, we have new "preppers" everyday who aren't (yet) in a position to relocate. Or in my case, which I think is typical, I couldn't really leave where we are as we had a business. Now we are trapped by the economic situation. Sigh.
The only thing I miss about urban living would be 24-hour hardware stores & certain authentic ethnic cuisine restaurants
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Anybody serious about "Self-Sufficiency and Preparedness" almost certainly moved out of a town like Minneapolis in the early stages of their preparation.
I don't agree fully with Nonesuch, we have new "preppers" everyday who aren't (yet) in a position to relocate. Or in my case, which I think is typical, I couldn't really leave where we are as we had a business. Now we are trapped by the economic situation. Sigh.
New and "yet" are key.
New preppers, in the early stages of their preparation will hopefully see this week (this year) as a wake-up call that being serious about self-sufficiency and preparedness may not be compatible with living in a metro area like Minneapolis.
I had a home, a side business, and a job in Chicago when I was new to self-sufficiency and preparedness. I didn't like where I saw the city headed, and so I worked with the company to transfer to a remote position and eventually open a new corporate office in a more sustainable state.
We're in the country. There's nothing to loot or burn out here, except our homes. Should the city mobs decide to carry their torches into our community, with the intent to burn it down because they're mad,,, well, let's just say we country folk won't sit back and let them do it.
The murder by cop was just a pretext.
If it hadn't been that, they would have found another reason.
That is 100%correct.
It’s just a “moving of the goalposts” now for looters, arsonists, agitators, and race hustlers. The cop has been arrested, now they want the other 3 arrested, next they’ll want life sentences for all 4, then they’ll want a public apology by all police departments, next they’ll want all cops banned from patrolling non-black areas. Then they’ll want the police commissioner fired. Then they’ll what the governor to resign. No action is enough for looters.
Just like the 2015 Baltimore riots and all the riots before that. Protest/riots/looting is pretty much a 3-5 year American routine at this point. Neither the politicians, cops, or neighborhoods are going to change, you can take that to the bank.
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Our problem is being too close to Vegas (2 hrs away). I've no idea why the GOP office got shot at, might have just been a drunk, there's a bar nearby. There's like 3 democrats in the whole county, and I doubt they own guns. 
The only thing I miss about urban living would be 24-hour hardware stores & certain authentic ethnic cuisine restaurants
