Survivor Re-education Camp

[RetireinPA]

Originally Posted by bigpaul

depends on your post SHTF lifestyle, a lot of people want to make it too complicated, one must adapt.

well my answer was more for the states...your comment about bikes and walking jogged it outta me.


people in the states who think they are going to go back to an agrarian society are kidding themselves. the skillset and supply acquisition timeframe is outside their expiration date


we have such a small percentage of our population engaged and a rather low land usage due to advances of ..... wait for it....technology. lets do a poll, how many here reading THIS are actual producing farmers. not grew up on or near one, or knows someone, but rather get up in the am, slop the hogs, pet the cows, run the deere... (my bet is zero, they are busy working, not playing on the web)



duzz anyone even know where to get seeds OTHER than the local agway? and if you did get seeds off the plants, where the plants rendered sterile by manipulation? and do you know how to prep the seed coat for germination?


this brings up a new plan:


a) dont shoot farmers when you steal from them
b) get the fuel infrastructure back up
c) or kidnap the amish BUT! guess where they get seed from AS WELL. (like I said before, the amish are no longer as amish as you think)



The population has been removed from food production in the first world for so long that it is accepted the skillset is lost forever - simply because the window for trial and error when the safeway is still down the street, aint there. no amount of 'prepping' will make this sustainable. restoration of food production and distribution is a top priority in the US DR SIOP. (<-- united states disaster recovery single integrated operational plan.....its actually a thing)


the effects of natural (earthquake, volcano, hurricane) and manmade (war, commies, democrats) disasters on other world nations where farming is pretty much ALL they do, is well documented. as someone pointed out, famines that kill millions. not as prevalent as they said, but it happened. and they know what they are doing, en masse. russia, china, india and globs of africa are prime examples)

[RetireinPA]

Originally Posted by MTSilvertip

Actually, my father has raised and used Belgian draft horses for most of his life. He made a living logging with them for many years. My brother was the Montana State Champion Working Teamster for 4 years until he retired undefeated at age 20.
We have a comprehensive collection of horse equipment including graders, ore wagons, binders, mowers, buck rakes and dump rakes, cultivators, sulky plows, and yes, we have 3 horse drawn manure spreaders. And yes, we have all the harnesses and other necessary accoutrements.

I live about 8 miles from a Hutterite colony that currently ships 2100 pigs per week.

Personally, I enjoy working oxen and I can make yokes from local timber. It isn't that hard. I blacksmith and have a well stocked forge so I can repair the equipment as they don't make replacement parts for that stuff anymore. I can forge chains for tugs too.

I also raise dogs and work them not just on stock and for hunting, but they do well as a team pulling sleds and carts.

Not everyone lives in an area where using animals to work is a forgotten skill, although I agree the vast majority of people have no access to this kind of option.

you are definitely the exception to the rule.

[oregonwoodsmoke]

Originally Posted by RetireinPA

....... lets do a poll, how many here reading THIS are actual producing farmers. ...........

My immediate reaction to this is Nunya.


Im not sharing personal information and I'm certainly not taking any information from anyone who obviously doesn't have a clue what they are talking about. Just some advice: snoopy people are not often well received. Take it for what it is worth.

[Mikala43]

I harvested a cabbage today.

[terracore]

Originally Posted by RetireinPA

if tractors stop running due to the lack of fuel, I would assume ships would too.


duzz anyone:


a) know where to find domesticated draft animals within WALKING distance....you are not importing them from india (if even they have some, Mahindra is the largest seller in.....india)
b) know where to find the yokes and straps etc to hook them up?
c) to what? the implements in the parking lots of antique stores are junk

d) and how to scudda hoo, scudda hay?


Unless the plan is to kidnap and enslave the amish if

e) you have amish near you


we once again gotta look long and hard and getting the fuel infrastructure back on line.


Im not discounting bikes and the shoe leather express...but draft animals are gonna be out of the reach


And! even if you got it running, you need to fertilize it and that is almost 100% manmade today, unless


f) you know where a pig farm is (pig s**t makes the best, especially in volume)

g) can get a draft animal manure spreader (that is actually a thing)
h) so we are back to the amish and the stricter mennies.

We have a couple of donkeys. We have enough gear to use them as pack animals and can rig something up for pulling a cart. One of them is large enough to ride. Their primary function is livestock guardians, but it's not lost on us that if the barges quit coming they may have to do a lot more than that. We have no need to use them for tasks like plowing fields because our garden areas are small enough to do by hand. And we don't have enough soil for anything like that anyway.

[RetireinPA]

Originally Posted by oregonwoodsmoke

My immediate reaction to this is Nunya.


Im not sharing personal information and I'm certainly not taking any information from anyone who obviously doesn't have a clue what they are talking about. Just some advice: snoopy people are not often well received. Take it for what it is worth.

interesting, is that directed to me in partic?



and if so, has it ever occurred to you that 'our plan' is a couple decades more mature than yours? the level of detail I just touch upon is eons over giving up to die and ride horses until you do.



when I post part numbers of stuff you will want or addresses of places you will want to visit or hints on how to make things work - did you know about them before hand? even aware of the importance? IF not, then you need to come to jesus more than you think. sadly, today, thats always the case :-(



Im gonna go with proven, tested facts rather than someone with something they think they read. just sayin.



If that was not directed to me, my apologies.


ps: our plan is not to be snoopy. IT will be authoritative. the goal is resumption of the USA. You take this oath see....and sometimes people expect you to live up to it...