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... However, metal studs would be a problem if in an external wall.
I was thinking about this, and wanted to get back to it.
I have seen metal studs, and I own a commercial building in the city where its storefront wall has metal studs. Because that wall is 90% glass the contractor insisted that we use metal studs.
My steel house though has no metal studs, just steel girders, purlins and sheet metal with 2" spray-on foam and 9" itch batting. The girders are interior. Fortunately by using steel there is no reason for any interior load-bearing walls. You can easily have an interior span of 60' without the need to be concerned about load bearing.
Came in handy when the insurance company wanted details of how our woodstove has 20feet of clearance
I agree that if you had metal studs in an external wall it would be an issue defeating attempts to insulate.
An uninsulated attic can be covered by snow, heat in the attic, between rafters will melt the snow. Leaving stripes on the roof. You can clearly see where the rafters are located.
If you attempt to insulate a wall to R-40, but the woodstick studs are only R-11. The results of thermal photography will show those stripes. You can install insulation like crazy, but those R-11 stripes will still be there.
Perhaps as a percentage of the total wall surface, if one-tenth of your total wall surface is R-11, and the remaining nine-tenths is R-40. Your wall is still NOT R-40.
Yes - and - no.
A 2x4 wall, 16" o.c. => 1.5" stud + 14.5" gap (10%); 24" o.c. => 1.5" stud + 22.5" gap (7%).
However, an R40 wall system, would need at least a 12" gap filled with insulation batting. Therefore, using
two 2x4 walls (24"o.c.) with a 12" gap between them wouldn't bridge too much thermal energy via the studs.
Despite the naysayers, I do understand what you are saying, but maybe it is because we are both over 65, I think, based on your frequent contributions to the Retirement forum.
I can speak only for myself, of course, but quality of life is MUCH more important to me than how many years I live. If I knew that a SHTF event was coming, I would live life to the fullest until then -- which at my age would mean eating good food and drinking good wine to my heart's content. If I must live on only canned food and dried beans. and live in a cave or underground, I would rather not live at all.
But, as I said, I am over 65. I am quite sure that most people under 50 -- and especially those with children -- would have a decidedly different view from mine.
Yeah; I've never been a "life at any cost" type and prefer quality over quantity. I also believe in the NEXT life, realize there are many things worse than death, and don't find life all that appealing on the best of days lately... But I realize I'm in the minority there, and I'm sure not having children or grandchildren is yet another factor. For some here, this almost seems to be a hobby as well as a community, so I get the appeal. I suppose it's a good thing for the world that some wish to carry on regardless!
anyone with these sorts of attitudes "quality over quantity" will change their tune very quickly when the enormity of SHTF becomes apparent, if they dont then they can shuffle off this mortal coil if they so wish.
in any case post SHTF does not mean eating canned food and living in a cave, anyone who thinks that does not know what prepping is about and never will.
anyone with these sorts of attitudes "quality over quantity" will change their tune very quickly when the enormity of SHTF becomes apparent, if they dont then they can shuffle off this mortal coil if they so wish.
in any case post SHTF does not mean eating canned food and living in a cave, anyone who thinks that does not know what prepping is about and never will.
FYI, I have seen about a half-dozen videos about very "luxurious" bunkers and several documentaries about surviving SHTF events. No thanks. If I can't live in the open in my comfortable home among leafy trees in summer and snow-laden trees in winter, and be able to come and go without fear, I'll pass.
But you do you. (Just please don't try to think for me and form my opinions for me.)
FYI, I have seen about a half-dozen videos about very "luxurious" bunkers and several documentaries about surviving SHTF events. No thanks. If I can't live in the open in my comfortable home among leafy trees in summer and snow-laden trees in winter, and be able to come and go without fear, I'll pass.
But you do you. (Just please don't try to think for me and form my opinions for me.)
We all want that, but we also want to protect our families and ourselves from the 'storm', and come they will... like they have since time itself.
FYI, I have seen about a half-dozen videos about very "luxurious" bunkers and several documentaries about surviving SHTF events. No thanks. If I can't live in the open in my comfortable home among leafy trees in summer and snow-laden trees in winter, and be able to come and go without fear, I'll pass.
But you do you. (Just please don't try to think for me and form my opinions for me.)
I'm not a fan of bunkers either, I prefer to be above ground and see what people are doing, besides a bunker will end up being someone's expensive tomb.
not every SHTF event will be nuclear, there are many other sorts which you would know if you had bothered to research prepping.
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not every SHTF event will be nuclear, there are many other sorts which you would know if you had bothered to research prepping.
Yeah, he mentioned, he was new to the neighborhood. He doesn't really know us. Too bad we don't have a welcome wagon
In Other Words, it might be nice to put together a "This is Real Prepping 101.
We should show them, it isn't anything like what the rest of the world portrays.
For instance, my main focus is on supply lines being disrupted. Whether that is my food source or my meds (each have had their disruptions, in the past dozen years) or other stuff, I have a supply on hand to deal with that.
We do dabble in the "apocalyptic" versions of SHTF, but the main focus is to be the guy who has the stuff, when others need help, rather than being the guy who needs help from others. (Of course, there are many who never quite get that... )
Yeah, he mentioned, he was new to the neighborhood. He doesn't really know us. Too bad we don't have a welcome wagon
In Other Words, it might be nice to put together a "This is Real Prepping 101.
We should show them, it isn't anything like what the rest of the world portrays.
For instance, my main focus is on supply lines being disrupted. Whether that is my food source or my meds (each have had their disruptions, in the past dozen years) or other stuff, I have a supply on hand to deal with that.
We do dabble in the "apocalyptic" versions of SHTF, but the main focus is to be the guy who has the stuff, when others need help, rather than being the guy who needs help from others. (Of course, there are many who never quite get that... )
Okay, I am going to be leaving this thread after this, but I do know that there are MANY kinds of SHTF events -- economic crashes, martial law and/or lockdowns (for whatever reason), natural disasters -- as mentioned in at least one other thread.)
But for the LAST time (in this thread at least), I am not willing to live in a "kill or be killed" kind of world that seems to be the gist of many "end of the world as we know it" apocalyptic novels. We do have a year's worth of food and a generator and we live near a large body of fresh water and there are many fruit orchards close by. So it that is not enough to survive -- oh, well. (The main worry for me is that my husband is on prescription meds, but he is 67 and he is already well past the time where the men in his family usually die from heart problems whereas my family is long lived and most die from old age/dementia in their 90's, so maybe that explains our outlook regarding SHTF events. Again, I am not saying that our way is right and anyone who disagrees with that is wrong.)
Bye. (And have a good day, lol. )
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