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Old 10-28-2023, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I understand the Hatch Act. That was my point -- teachers are public employees, yet use their position to influence public vote. That is unethical as a public employee at any level. There needs to be a "Hatch Act" equivalent for teachers, principals, and other school employees.
It seems to me there's a difference between an individual employee and a union. But of course, not surprised that some want to muzzle teachers and the freedom of speech of educators. Serve us, but shut up...that's the thinking.
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Old 10-29-2023, 07:58 AM
 
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It seems to me there's a difference between an individual employee and a union. But of course, not surprised that some want to muzzle teachers and the freedom of speech of educators. Serve us, but shut up...that's the thinking.
Not surprised you don't understand the difference between free speech as an individual and using your position as a government employee to attempt to influence an election.
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Old 10-29-2023, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Not surprised you don't understand the difference between free speech as an individual and using your position as a government employee to attempt to influence an election.
Teachers are citizens and taxpayers, too.
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Old 10-29-2023, 08:30 AM
 
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There needs to be a "Hatch Act" equivalent for teachers, principals, and other school employees.
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Not surprised you don't understand the difference between free speech as an individual and using your position as a government employee to attempt to influence an election.
Careful, tnff, or phetaroi will lump you in with - gasp - people like me

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Old 10-29-2023, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Careful, tnff, or phetaroi will lump you in with - gasp - people like me
I don't know why people so like to take rights (like freedom of speech) away from others. Sad they are so afraid they might hear something they don't agree with.

But if teachers aren't allowed to speak out about school issues, then they shouldn't have to pay school taxes.
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Old 10-29-2023, 09:32 AM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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But if teachers aren't allowed to speak out about school issues, then they shouldn't have to pay school taxes.
Meanwhile.... Back to Jr Hi thinking and behaviors....

And, taxpayers who don't use or agree with the use of their funds in public schools, libraries, law enforcement, EMS... Shouldn't be required to pay their taxes?

That would work real well

BTW... Teachers are not restricted from freedom of speech. Teachers are using public funded platforms and supplies (and salary time) to sway voter by restricting educational access of their students. Quite blatant (and illegal), but also in poor taste to add support to their cause.

Just imagine if strikers presented and dealt with the issues (and offered solutions ) to the definite issues that are hindering the delivery of a quality education.!

Support would not be lacking.

Reviewing the teacher strike material, voices, propaganda..... It wreaks of 'entitlements'.
Wonder where that comes from.?

The striking teachers prey on their students and parents to join the pickets.... Then they all scream for entitlement, not for educational benefit and improvement. Very short sited for the 'educated'. Just as we see here on C-D 'education forum'. "These comments are from "the educated".

We're in trouble. (And have been for 40+ years)
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Old 10-29-2023, 02:41 PM
 
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Don't these teachers lose their pay and their health insurance during these strikes? How can someone complaining about their pay afford to go completely without pay and have to fork over money for COBRA so that they still have health insurance while they're striking.
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Old 10-29-2023, 02:44 PM
 
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I don't know why people so like to take rights (like freedom of speech) away from others. Sad they are so afraid they might hear something they don't agree with.

But if teachers aren't allowed to speak out about school issues, then they shouldn't have to pay school taxes.
Who's taking freedom of speech away from teachers? Do you not understand the difference between private speech and using your official position to advocate for or against a political idea?
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Old 10-29-2023, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Who's taking freedom of speech away from teachers? Do you not understand the difference between private speech and using your official position to advocate for or against a political idea?
"using your official position"...what does that even mean to you?
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Old 10-29-2023, 03:17 PM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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Don't these teachers lose their pay and their health insurance during these strikes? How can someone complaining about their pay afford to go completely without pay and have to fork over money for COBRA so that they still have health insurance while they're striking.
FWIU, The teachers do not lose pay (annualized contracts), unless strike is beyond x days.

Lost Strike Days may be added to school yr (or fall within allowable annual hours, so no need to be made up)

Each district will have different rules / allocated days / make-up days, buffer days (Built in).

Our (2) local districts are not required to make up the strike days ~ 10 days. Teachers will get the annual agreed pay.
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