08-21-2009, 08:12 AM
Location: Mesa, Az
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Farrell's at El Con, Shakey's Pizza on Drachman, Solarium and Pawnbroker on Tanque Verde, The Baron's on Golf Links, Prince drive-in at Campbell/Prince, old Campbell Plaza, Magic Carpet Golf, free Flandrau admissions, free access to Mt Lemmon, far less crime proportionate to population, easier hiking trail access, less grafitti, better maintained roads, cooler nights, darker skies, better schools ... I could go on and on.
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I originally moved here in 96, stayed for 2 years, then returned a year ago, and I can definitely see what you're saying, actinic. I still like the place a lot, but all the things you mentioned are true. (Save this post. It's a rare moment of detente.)
The first time I saw Tucson was ca. 1996; it was definitely better IMHO than today. Although in all fairness; I have not been there in almost 3 years.
Reading through the posts; Tucson, like Phx both sounded like really neat places 25+ years ago.
09-12-2009, 01:02 AM
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I moved here in 1977 when I was 13 years old. When the Tanque Verde swap meet was really on Tanque Verde! East on Grant rd. the pavement stopped at Craycroft. And yes, who can forget The Night Train. (We called it the Stain) I managed an awesome band out of high school called Shakey Jake that at one time was the house band at the Stain. Anyone remember Doc, the dude who ran the Stain?
09-12-2009, 10:28 AM
Location: Baja Arizona
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The first time I saw Tucson was ca. 1996; it was definitely better IMHO than today. Although in all fairness; I have not been there in almost 3 years.
Reading through the posts; Tucson, like Phx both sounded like really neat places 25+ years ago.
True!
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I moved here in 1977 when I was 13 years old. When the Tanque Verde swap meet was really on Tanque Verde! East on Grant rd. the pavement stopped at Craycroft. And yes, who can forget The Night Train. (We called it the Stain) I managed an awesome band out of high school called Shakey Jake that at one time was the house band at the Stain. Anyone remember Doc, the dude who ran the Stain?
What?
Nobody remembers the Shakedowns band from the '60's? Or the Ramblers? Or the Poppies? Or the Poor Boys? Or the Occasionals? Or the Nomads? Or the Castaways? Remember "The Web" Teen Club? Sunset Rollerama ? Monterey Ice Palace?
Remember cruisin' Speedway? Johnie's Fat Boy Burgers? Battle of the Bands at the Ramada Inn on St Mary's & I-10? Clash of the Combos at DMAFB? DJ's Frank Kalil and Jerry Stowe on Rock & Roll Station KTKT (Color Radio Channel 99)?
09-12-2009, 11:47 AM
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Grant Rd was paved all the way through to Tangue Verde Rd as far back as the early 1960's. Some brand new local attractions such as traildust town and a new bowling alley ( that later burned down leaving only a concrete slab ) were built near that intersection.
09-12-2009, 07:03 PM
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What? Nobody remembers the Shakedowns band from the '60's? Or the Ramblers?
Few are as old as you to remember. At least 60, right?
09-13-2009, 08:38 PM
Location: Baja Arizona
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Few are as old as you to remember. At least 60, right?
Someone else said it best: "Old enuff to know better... but too young to care"!
09-14-2009, 04:41 PM
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Someone else said it best: "Old enuff to know better... but too young to care"!
That explains alot.
09-14-2009, 06:56 PM
Location: Baja Arizona
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That explains alot.
Now lets explain
you , Ack-Ack!
09-16-2009, 05:06 PM
Location: Baja Arizona
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My apologies to you, actinic. I just read
this new thread , and I believe I now understand why you have been so hostile (and perhaps even jealous) towards Arizona. The unemployment situation in Michigan has been horrendous. The weather is consistently depressing as well.
So many people have been uprooting themselves there and coming to Arizona in search of a better life. I seriously do hope that things go better for your state, as well as for yourself. I, for one, would seriously prefer to see you become a happier individual.
09-18-2009, 11:06 PM
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My apologies to you, actinic. I just read
this new thread , and I believe I now understand why you have been so hostile (and perhaps even jealous) towards Arizona. The unemployment situation in Michigan has been horrendous. The weather is consistently depressing as well.
So many people have been uprooting themselves there and coming to Arizona in search of a better life. I seriously do hope that things go better for your state, as well as for yourself. I, for one, would seriously prefer to see you become a happier individual.
No apology necessary as you've totally misinterpreted. I'm very happy, thank you, without a bit of jealousy. I understand your defensive nature, however. It's only natural to defend one's turf whether it be by going off topic or otherwise. The problem we frequently see is fanboy bias tends to cloud the facts. Objective or dispassionate appraisal is often scorned as hostile, especially from those who don't like what they hear, even if factual.
If anything I feel a bit of pity for those who become so defensive. This suggests they have true reason to be defensive, typically insecurity issues. I also pity those who find themselves stuck without the good fortune as I to be able to choose where to live. Younger career oriented types have better opportunities elsewhere. Older folks understandably like it ... less cold tolerant than the younger set generally.
To the subject of Michigan permit me to clear up your misunderstanding. Michigan, as in AZ has its troubles but is far from depressing, a virtual paradise for those who enjoy 4 seasons, greenery, water, fishing, boating, hiking, biking, snow skiing, canoeing, festivals, concerts, top notch colleges, etc. It is vibrant and alive, the west and central part of the state in particular plus suburban Detroit, with an amazing amount of housing rehabilitation and urban revival from generations who take pride in their community without the transient aspects of many southwest cities. Plentiful water, windpower, agriculture, tourism, manufacturing capacity, and a booming life sciences industry set the stage for a bright future in a state that is reinventing itself, albeit painfully out of necessity, with a diversified economic base not overly reliant on tourism or real estate.
Curiously I've met more people who've LEFT Arizona to return to Michigan than vice versa though many were younger, disillusioned by what they experienced. Oh, the summer has been magnificent! My gripe is too much sun. Hardly seen a cloud in the last 2 months. My choice was good one. Hopefully will get back to Tucson for a few months, certainly no more.
I appreciate your concern, hopefully you will have a better understanding of yourself and others. Best wishes.
Back to the subject!
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People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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