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Old 07-19-2014, 04:27 PM
 
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It really depends on the situation.

On one extreme, there are situations like Air New Zealand flight 901 in 1979. This was a sightseeing tour over Antarctica. Apparently, an effective visual white-out result in a controlled flight into terrain - the terrain in question being Mount Erebus. The result was that there was no time for any drastic action to alarm the passengers. Everyone died on impact.

In that case, there would have been no realization from the passengers.

On the other hand, consider the case of Juliane Koepcke. On a flight over the Amazon in 1971, she describes bad turbulence, the plane going into a dive, and then after the aircraft broke up (at about 10,000') she describes free-falling and being aware of the sight of the jungle far below her. She then lost consciousness.

But she did survive with comparatively minor injuries and made it out after over a week alone in the rainforest.

BBC News - Juliane Koepcke: How I survived a plane crash

Anyway, if you have hundreds of people on an aircraft that suffers some sort of catastrophic mid-air disaster, often the situation will be that by sheer numbers some people are going to survive long enough to have a very clear awareness that they're going down and unlikely to survive.
It is amazing that people can survive this type of accident. Look up the details of the Pan Am flight that was bombed over Scotland. They found one flight attended alive, they found several other people later that appeared to have survived but later died of exposure. They had landed in tall grass and had crawled several meters before dying.
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Old 07-19-2014, 05:37 PM
 
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On the other hand, consider the case of Juliane Koepcke. On a flight over the Amazon in 1971, she describes bad turbulence, the plane going into a dive, and then after the aircraft broke up (at about 10,000') she describes free-falling and being aware of the sight of the jungle far below her. She then lost consciousness.

But she did survive with comparatively minor injuries and made it out after over a week alone in the rainforest.

BBC News - Juliane Koepcke: How I survived a plane crash

Anyway, if you have hundreds of people on an aircraft that suffers some sort of catastrophic mid-air disaster, often the situation will be that by sheer numbers some people are going to survive long enough to have a very clear awareness that they're going down and unlikely to survive.
Oh My LORD...Juliane's story is incredible. How horrifying. I can not believe she survived that kind of trauma, but I guess the jungle canopy "softened" her impact?? Anyways thanks for that Unsettomati, very interesting and intense read.
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Old 07-19-2014, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Fort Lauderdale, Florida
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It really depends on the situation.

On one extreme, there are situations like Air New Zealand flight 901 in 1979. This was a sightseeing tour over Antarctica. Apparently, an effective visual white-out result in a controlled flight into terrain - the terrain in question being Mount Erebus. The result was that there was no time for any drastic action to alarm the passengers. Everyone died on impact.

In that case, there would have been no realization from the passengers.

On the other hand, consider the case of Juliane Koepcke. On a flight over the Amazon in 1971, she describes bad turbulence, the plane going into a dive, and then after the aircraft broke up (at about 10,000') she describes free-falling and being aware of the sight of the jungle far below her. She then lost consciousness.

But she did survive with comparatively minor injuries and made it out after over a week alone in the rainforest.

BBC News - Juliane Koepcke: How I survived a plane crash

Anyway, if you have hundreds of people on an aircraft that suffers some sort of catastrophic mid-air disaster, often the situation will be that by sheer numbers some people are going to survive long enough to have a very clear awareness that they're going down and unlikely to survive.
I cannot imagine surviving a 2 mile free fall. Wow.
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Old 07-19-2014, 05:44 PM
 
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It really depends on the situation.

On one extreme, there are situations like Air New Zealand flight 901 in 1979. This was a sightseeing tour over Antarctica. Apparently, an effective visual white-out result in a controlled flight into terrain - the terrain in question being Mount Erebus. The result was that there was no time for any drastic action to alarm the passengers. Everyone died on impact.

In that case, there would have been no realization from the passengers.

On the other hand, consider the case of Juliane Koepcke. On a flight over the Amazon in 1971, she describes bad turbulence, the plane going into a dive, and then after the aircraft broke up (at about 10,000') she describes free-falling and being aware of the sight of the jungle far below her. She then lost consciousness.

But she did survive with comparatively minor injuries and made it out after over a week alone in the rainforest.

BBC News - Juliane Koepcke: How I survived a plane crash

Anyway, if you have hundreds of people on an aircraft that suffers some sort of catastrophic mid-air disaster, often the situation will be that by sheer numbers some people are going to survive long enough to have a very clear awareness that they're going down and unlikely to survive.
I remember reading her story when I was a kid. I think the maggots are what stayed with me most when I read it the first time.
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Old 07-19-2014, 05:47 PM
 
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I bet that one that took off in Brazil and was headed to France...yeah, I think they knew. They knew everything.
Same with the 9/11 planes.

I hope to god the missile that took this recent flight was mercifully quick.
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Old 07-19-2014, 05:55 PM
 
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I remember reading her story when I was a kid. I think the maggots are what stayed with me most when I read it the first time.
They probably kept her wound clean.
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Old 07-19-2014, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Metro Washington DC
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I bet that one that took off in Brazil and was headed to France...yeah, I think they knew. They knew everything.
I do not believe that they knew.
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Old 07-19-2014, 06:12 PM
 
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I do not believe that they knew.
Oh they knew. In stormy weather, aircraft stalling, falling, pilots trying to control it, abrupt pitch and bank changes, drastic airspeed changes.. It would have been nightmare on the way down.

Air France Flight 447 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 07-19-2014, 06:24 PM
 
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They probably kept her wound clean.
Interesting.
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Old 07-19-2014, 06:49 PM
 
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I do not believe that they knew.
That plane was up and down over and over prior to hitting the ocean. They knew.
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