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Old 03-14-2019, 06:56 AM
 
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Why doesn't Boeing consider that the design of the MAX may be part of the problem > engines located closer to the fuselage. It seems they are going with better training of pilots worldwide and new software.

Placement of the wings must affect the aerodynamics in some way.

Then they would have to scuttle all the planes (MAX 8) manufactured so far !!!! Redesign and compensate. That will ruin the company.
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Old 03-14-2019, 08:14 AM
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This plane has no problems. Only fear

It doesn't? How do you know?
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Old 03-14-2019, 10:57 AM
 
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With two crashes over the last 6 months, both right after take off, with brand new jets, it's not good to say the least.
Is the Pope Catholic?
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Old 03-14-2019, 12:03 PM
 
Location: King County, WA
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Politically, the Senate needs to get busy confirming a new head of the FAA. That will better establish his credentials internationally and make a return to service of the 737 Max more credible. Otherwise the outside world may perceive yet another Trumpian conflict of interest and not accept the decision of the FAA.
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Old 03-14-2019, 12:21 PM
 
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Good MCAS article:

https://theaircurrent.com/aviation-s...em-mcas-jt610/
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Old 03-15-2019, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Frisco, TX
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https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/15/boei...n-10-days.html

The fix itself should begin to be implemented in 10 days, but otherwise the timeline remains. That means it could take 6 months for all of the affected planes to be fixed and recertified.
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Old 03-15-2019, 11:34 AM
 
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https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/15/boei...n-10-days.html

The fix itself should begin to be implemented in 10 days, but otherwise the timeline remains. That means it could take 6 months for all of the affected planes to be fixed and recertified.
If another accident happens after that or pilots come forward and say they encountered stability issues then maybe Boeing needs to re-evaluate moving the engines closer to the fuselage.
I think the design was to save on fuel and and other monetary reasons per some article last week.
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Old 03-15-2019, 12:17 PM
 
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Jackscrew Puzzle in the debris


https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/piec...o-dive-2008100
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Old 03-15-2019, 12:43 PM
 
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Elevator control jackscrew just another link in the puzzle. I'd be willing to bet the pilot himself had added throttle (rapid excessive acceleration even during climbing rate) to overcome his aircraft sensors giving him erroneous information and the MCAS ordering the nose down attitude due to threatening stall conditions being announced, which we are now coming to understand as the software "glitch". He was fighting a losing battle due to not knowing what the heck he was dealing with.

Boeing screwed the pooch on this one by coming up with a piece of software designed to alleviate the aircraft "out of balance" condition identified with this model and relieve pilot inputs due to it's heavier engines and their forward wing placement. They then implemented this software without the usual flight training, either through simulators or manuals provided being mandated.

Pilots have been reporting "pitch down" events but through a system allowed where their inputs are allowed to remain anonymous rather than a formalized procedure of collected date for NTSB perusal.

Pilots from all countries are also now reporting they had no idea of what this "modification" was both capable of and how to disable/over-ride it.

Too many things all coming together to allow lives lost through not wanting to upset the big Boeing applecart.

Corporation and shareholders were placed at higher relevancy and priority than the merest hint of threat to lives possibly lost through failure to act.

Not the first time and sadly, it won't be the last.
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Old 03-15-2019, 12:59 PM
 
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Elevator control jackscrew just another link in the puzzle. I'd be willing to bet the pilot himself had added throttle (rapid excessive acceleration even during climbing rate) to overcome his aircraft sensors giving him erroneous information and the MCAS ordering the nose down attitude due to threatening stall conditions being announced, which we are now coming to understand as the software "glitch". He was fighting a losing battle due to not knowing what the heck he was dealing with.

Boeing screwed the pooch on this one by coming up with a piece of software designed to alleviate the aircraft "out of balance" condition identified with this model and relieve pilot inputs due to it's heavier engines and their forward wing placement. They then implemented this software without the usual flight training, either through simulators or manuals provided being mandated.

Pilots have been reporting "pitch down" events but through a system allowed where their inputs are allowed to remain anonymous rather than a formalized procedure of collected date for NTSB perusal.

Pilots from all countries are also now reporting they had no idea of what this "modification" was both capable of and how to disable/over-ride it.

Too many things all coming together to allow lives lost through not wanting to upset the big Boeing applecart.

Corporation and shareholders were placed at higher relevancy and priority than the merest hint of threat to lives possibly lost through failure to act.

Not the first time and sadly, it won't be the last.
A very informative post. Thanks.
Sadly Aviation is stuck in two big Monopolistic corporations .
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