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Old 03-12-2019, 01:27 AM
 
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More countries and airlines have decided to ground 737 MAX.

Not surprisingly, airlines in the U.S refuse to ground 737 MAX for financial reasons.
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Old 03-12-2019, 02:01 AM
 
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Seems pretty clear it was a bomb or some other sort of explosive decompression.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...-idUSKBN1QS1LJ
What about a double bird strike or something similar?

Hearing about smoke coming from the back of the plane did seem kind of odd, not sure if the Lion Air flight had that as well before it crashed in October.
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Old 03-12-2019, 05:07 AM
 
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More countries and airlines have decided to ground 737 MAX.

Not surprisingly, airlines in the U.S refuse to ground 737 MAX for financial reasons.
Governments and regulators
Singapore's Civil Aviation Authority - suspends operation of all Boeing 737 Max models flying into and out of Singapore
China's Civil Aviation Authority - ordered domestic airlines to suspend Boeing 737 Max 8 flights
Indonesia - grounded 737 Max 8 jets ahead of inspections
US Federal Aviation Administration - issued a "continued airworthiness notification" for the 737 Max 8, telling airlines it was safe to fly

Airlines that have grounded the 737 Max 8
  1. Shenzhen Airlines
  2. China Eastern Airlines
  3. Air China
  4. Okay Airways
  5. Kunming Airlines
  6. Ethiopian Airlines
  7. Cayman Airways
  8. Garuda Indonesia
  9. Lion Air
  10. Comair (South Africa)
  11. SilkAir (Singapore)
  12. Aeromexico
  13. Aerolineas Argentinas
  14. Gol Airways

Airlines continuing to operate the aircraft
  1. Southwest Airlines - "in contact with Boeing"
  2. American Airlines - "full confidence in the aircraft... will closely monitor the investigation"
  3. Norwegian Air shuttle - "in close dialogue with Boeing"
  4. Flydubai - "monitoring"
  5. TUI Group - "close contact with manufacturer"
  6. Air Italy - "in constant dialogue with the authorities"
  7. Icelandair - "we will... follow any developments closely"
  8. S7 - "constantly keeping in touch with the manufacturer"
  9. Fiji Airways - "training... meets highest safety standards"
  10. WestJet - "monitoring the situation closely"
  11. LOT Polish Airlines - "closely mo
nitoring the situation"
Polish Airlines

Other airlines that use the 737 Max 8
  1. SpiceJet - no immediate comment
  2. Jet Airways - no immediate comment
  3. Corendon Airlines
  4. Mauritania Airlines
  5. Malindo Air
  6. Sunwing Airlines
  7. Aviation Capital Group
  8. Gecas Travel Services
  9. Oman Air also uses the aircraft but their delivery date has not been confirmed by Boeing.
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Old 03-12-2019, 06:10 AM
 
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Last night on Fox an aviation expert talked about the design of the "best ever" MAX.

Boeing moved the engines closer to the fuselage and than can cause possible control issues. The engines on the MAX may not be in the best and safest place on the wings.
All in the name of money a design for less fuel usage and other $ savings.

STOP making changes to something that works fine!
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Old 03-12-2019, 06:26 AM
 
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Last night on Fox an aviation expert talked about the design of the "best ever" MAX.

Boeing moved the engines closer to the fuselage and than can cause possible control issues. The engines on the MAX may not be in the best and safest place on the wings.
All in the name of money a design for less fuel usage and other $ savings.

STOP making changes to something that works fine!
Has anyone thought about the winglets as well? The MAX-8 changed from the traditional Boeing winglets to the Split Scimater with a similar wing design.

Not a Pilot and far from an engineer so that might be a stupid observation but did notice that.
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Old 03-12-2019, 07:17 AM
 
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Indian Authorities DGCA have refused to ground Boeing 737 MAX 8



Spicejet and Jet Airways use these airplanes.

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Old 03-12-2019, 07:27 AM
 
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More countries and airlines have decided to ground 737 MAX.

Not surprisingly, airlines in the U.S refuse to ground 737 MAX for financial reasons.
I think the opposite is probably true. In the USA we don't use "feelings" for making such decisions, but actual information. This is why we set the Aviation examples for the entire planet.

I'd fly a Max (probably will next month with SW) and not even think about it. When the FAA makes such a declaration it's backed up by documents and agreements with Boeing which generally mean that the "problem" (and I use that in quotes, because it may not be a problem other than pilot education) is already found and scheduled to be mitigated. In the meantime, the fact that pilots and mechanics know the possibilities actually makes the situation safer.

Believe me, the US Airlines would not want a 3rd crash and would it would not "pay off" to keep the plane flying...

I always thought that 200 hours for the co-pilot sounded low.....and I guess it is!
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Old 03-12-2019, 08:11 AM
 
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Some countries have said they do not want the plane "landing" in their country as the issue could happen in their air space and threaten the safety of people on the ground.

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Old 03-12-2019, 08:23 AM
 
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He's right though. Americans as a culture don't really care about other countries, especially non-Western countries.
Not when American airliners are flying the same exact plane. The UK has just grounded all their Boeing 8s

So much for western countries not caring about foreign crashes.
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Old 03-12-2019, 08:30 AM
 
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Not when American airliners are flying the same exact plane. The UK has just grounded all their Boeing 8s
So much for western countries not caring about foreign crashes.
The plane has been in the air for 2 years. Both accidents happened with foreign carriers. This causes the problem that Boeing directives on how pilots should handle the situation when it happens can not result in extra training for the close to 1/4 million pilots worldwide.
The conclusion is that it is very likely that international use of the plane becomes a problem. If you are flying domestic ok if you are flying international then............

All world wide pilots should be trained in the USA.
And many dozen of foreign pilots are trained here and many Americans and Australians are pilots for international airlines so they have been trained.
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