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Old 03-11-2019, 05:42 PM
 
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On the ground eyewitness claims with surety that the recent jet was on fire before it crashed - that's a pretty easy thing to determine. Of course, that's not proven yet...but they have the black boxes.

Assuming the basic design is sound, these crashes probably make the pilots MORE aware of things they may not have been - therefore possibly making things safer than before.

Aviation experts do know that the drive for lower and lower prices does eventually run into reality...that is, there is a point when you have pilots working for 50K a year (Costco associates can make that) that it gets ridiculous.

It is troubling that they have no flight simulator and advertised the plane to airlines as needing very little pilot training (over existing 737).

I love the 737 and consider it the Toyota of the skies (reliable). BUT, the same deal goes with planes as with pilots...trying to beat the dead horse (737 basic foundation) forever as opposed to starting from scratch can only go so far...and maybe we've reached the end of that line with this redesign?
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Old 03-11-2019, 06:19 PM
 
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Aviation experts do know that the drive for lower and lower prices does eventually run into reality...that is, there is a point when you have pilots working for 50K a year (Costco associates can make that) that it gets ridiculous.
Obviously they want to get to the point the plane is completely autonomous and there are no pilots!
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Old 03-11-2019, 07:00 PM
 
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Obviously they want to get to the point the plane is completely autonomous and there are no pilots!
There is a good book about Airbus that touches on the software thing....and claims (with good reasoning) that Sully would likely not have been able to make his hudson landing if it was not for Airbus software.

The book goes through the detail and takes away the anecdotes and proves that machines, done right, are much more capable than human beings in handling such a complex system.

The Airbus software allowed Sully to know everything - from exactly how far he could glide to avoiding a stall. It allowed him to make the decisions he needed to instead of working out all the calcs, so the combo is what landed the plane.

As others have suggested, the automation is fine. But perhaps Boeing has to start from scratch like Airbus did and design an entire automated system instead of putting together a hairball of layers.
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Old 03-11-2019, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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More obsession about flying over the water. Weird. A lot of people seem okay with being part of a smoking hole in terra firma, but augering into the ocean at 500 mph is just over the line. Like I said, weird.

Emergency landings aren't possible when flying over the ocean.
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Old 03-11-2019, 07:55 PM
 
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There is a good book about Airbus that touches on the software thing....and claims (with good reasoning) that Sully would likely not have been able to make his hudson landing if it was not for Airbus software.

The book goes through the detail and takes away the anecdotes and proves that machines, done right, are much more capable than human beings in handling such a complex system.

The Airbus software allowed Sully to know everything - from exactly how far he could glide to avoiding a stall. It allowed him to make the decisions he needed to instead of working out all the calcs, so the combo is what landed the plane.

As others have suggested, the automation is fine. But perhaps Boeing has to start from scratch like Airbus did and design an entire automated system instead of putting together a hairball of layers.
The Airbus isn't automated. But think of their software as traction control or anti skid for cars. It allows the driver to get the max performance out of the car. You can pull full back in an Airbus and it will never stall. It's pretty amazing. The software alleviates the human from the more mundane tasks and allows them to focus on bigger picture things.
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Old 03-11-2019, 09:18 PM
 
Location: South of Cakalaki
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Yeah, ok. Good luck getting Americans on a Boeing Max 8 without trying to change flights.
Histrionics. Will be on one Thursday.

You do realize there are pilots making the decision to fly those planes, right?
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Old 03-11-2019, 09:54 PM
 
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Histrionics. Will be on one Thursday.

You do realize there are pilots making the decision to fly those planes, right?
Yeah, but their decision not to fly might cost them their career.... my decision might only cost me 20 minutes getting to my next destination.

Cmon , no need to fly max8 until it’s proven safe.
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Old 03-11-2019, 10:14 PM
 
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Seems pretty clear it was a bomb or some other sort of explosive decompression.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...-idUSKBN1QS1LJ
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Old 03-11-2019, 11:11 PM
 
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Seems pretty clear it was a bomb or some other sort of explosive decompression.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...-idUSKBN1QS1LJ
Since it was only a few hundred feet above ground level, decompression would have been impossible.

That being said, some sort of catastrophic event resulting in loss of control seems to be indicated by the eyewitness accounts.

The FDR and CVR should reveal all...
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Old 03-11-2019, 11:17 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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