Northern Belt Line? (Birmingham, Hoover, Forestdale: buy, maintenance, living in)

[Back Again]

Originally Posted by jpatt10

Ok what's the deal with the asterisks, am I not allowed to tell where my info comes from?

Can you e-mail me the link? pauld-kw@hotmail.com

[3am green coffee]

Originally Posted by jpatt10

Really? Are you really asking that question?

Don't let this guy bother you.

Look at his join date and number of posts. He's averaging more than 250 messages per month. He's not really interested in the answers to any of the questions he posts; he just wants to be the center of conversation. In fact, if nobody answers a question, he often responds to himself and carries on some kind of schizophrenic exchange. It's quite bizarre. He posts whatever pops into his head without really thinking, most of it meaningless. Hence the ridiculous post count.

Just ignore him.

[Tourian]

At little news about the Beltline - looks like no roadblocks for funding now that the Republicans are back in power.

No legislative roadblock to Birmingham's Northern Beltline, key Republican lawmaker in Washington promises | al.com

Looks like I'll be in my mid 50's by the time I get to drive on it...

[Southernbill]

Originally Posted by Tourian

Looks like I'll be in my mid 50's by the time I get to drive on it...

At 3.5 billion,,,,,,,,,,,, you betcha if not 60's

[Joeyj42]

I'm pretty ignorant of the traffic situation in B'ham so quick question. Is the traffic bad enough to warrant building the northern belt line? I know 280 is crowded, but are the interstates that crowded that the northern belt line is needed?

[sleepless in Bham]

No, as a matter of fact the route proposed would do little to help the traffic situation on the major highways. Let's he real here bham traffic is a joke compared to other metros in the region.

[Tourian]

A bypass is so trucks passing through don't have to go through downtown. That way you don't have them mixing it up with commuters during rush hour. I don't know where the coils originated from, but I've heard someone suggest that the accidents we had that damaged the junction when these loads fell off flatbeds could have been avoided if there was a complete bypass.

Other then that it would bring the same type of development that the southern rim of the city enjoys to the northern rim. I hear people say that sprawl is bad and not desirable but then I don't see any of those types moving to Fultondale or Pinson or Graysville.

[Joeyj42]

A bypass is so trucks passing through don't have to go through downtown.

Do trucks go downtown anyway? Would they not take the southern bypass?

[jakabedy]

Originally Posted by Joeyj42

Do trucks go downtown anyway? Would they not take the southern bypass?

They're required to use 459 if it will allow them to miss the 65-20/59 junction downtown (east-west loads on 20/59, those coming in on 65 north and going east or west; or those coming in from the east or west and going south on 65). It doesn't work for the loads that need to either enter or exit Birmingham by using 65 north of the city. Those are the ones that gum up the works.

[Tourian]

Originally Posted by jakabedy

They're required to use 459 if it will allow them to miss the 65-20/59 junction downtown (east-west loads on 20/59, those coming in on 65 north and going east or west; or those coming in from the east or west and going south on 65). It doesn't work for the loads that need to either enter or exit Birmingham by using 65 north of the city. Those are the ones that gum up the works.

Exactly. What I was trying to say was when those big coils fell off the trucks, they *could* have been destined for delivery in or orginated from downtown, so having a northern bypass would have been moot - but if it was a load from Nashville on the way to Mobile, the truck would have been required to use the bypass to go around.

I think by rule, a city of this size should have a complete circular bypass - no matter what, however the problem with this one is it is three times (my guess) the radius of I-459, it is impossible for it to connect on the eastern end of town because that area is too developed and it seems only to serve those that already own all the land (in short graft and backroom deals come in to play). But it almost guarantees development to those rural areas.