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Old 05-05-2022, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Newburyport, MA
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Excerpts from another blogpost by the same blogger, Jonathan Low, as linked earlier. Notice the strategic nature of a couple of the incidents.



The Low-Down: As Explosions and Fires In Russia Increase, the Question Is Who Is Doing It?
Yes, this is very interesting. The Russian government, unsurprisingly, isn't talking. These could be attacks originating from Ukraine, or they could be sabotage originating in Russia - or even a mix. In any case, it looks like Russia is getting a small taste of what they are doing to Ukraine. If Putin is actually under pressure, this will raise that pressure. To see this kind of mayhem in a country that is normally so buttoned down, so repressed by Kremlin control, is really quite extraordinary.
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Old 05-05-2022, 06:55 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Yes, this is very interesting. The Russian government, unsurprisingly, isn't talking. These could be attacks originating from Ukraine, or they could be sabotage originating in Russia - or even a mix. In any case, it looks like Russia is getting a small taste of what they are doing to Ukraine. If Putin is actually under pressure, this will raise that pressure. To see this kind of mayhem in a country that is normally so buttoned down, so repressed by Kremlin control, is really quite extraordinary.
Yes, and a government ministry actually released photos of the damage at one large site.

That energy plant on Sakhalin sounds like it's probably the main provider of energy to it's segment of the island, whichever that is: north or south. It means a lot of people are without heat right now. It's spring, probably still a little brisk outdoors, though it will quickly be warming up into summer.
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Old 05-05-2022, 07:00 PM
 
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Yes, this is very interesting. The Russian government, unsurprisingly, isn't talking. These could be attacks originating from Ukraine, or they could be sabotage originating in Russia - or even a mix. In any case, it looks like Russia is getting a small taste of what they are doing to Ukraine. If Putin is actually under pressure, this will raise that pressure. To see this kind of mayhem in a country that is normally so buttoned down, so repressed by Kremlin control, is really quite extraordinary.
If the Ukraine is attacking Russia, that would be a big mistake. Right now, they can sit back and claim to be the victim but if they go on the offensive in Russia, it will only provide justification for Putin imposing a draft or support him bringing in other countries or attacking other nations. Too many nations throughout history made the mistake of attacking the Russian heartland directly (France and Germany). They will throw body after body at you until you breakdown. Ukraine don’t fall for it despite what the U.K. and U.S. is trying to get you to do.
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Old 05-05-2022, 07:04 PM
 
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Well the truth finally came out, though nobody should be surprised.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-intel-h...213149015.html

In response to U.S. intel support, Russia is now launching missiles from submarines. I saw this coming weeks ago. Submarines are almost impossible to sink unless you have sophisticated anti-submarine aircraft. Even then it is extremely difficult. If the goal is to get Putin to back down, it isn't working.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLmM5hDf4Qc
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Old 05-05-2022, 07:07 PM
 
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If the Ukraine is attacking Russia, that would be a big mistake. Right now, they can sit back and claim to be the victim but if they go on the offensive in Russia, it will only provide justification for Putin imposing a draft or support him bringing in other countries or attacking other nations. Too many nations throughout history made the mistake of attacking the Russian heartland directly (France and Germany). They will throw body after body at you until you breakdown. Ukraine don’t fall for it despite what the U.K. and U.S. is trying to get you to do.
Ukraine recently issued a statement, that they're not confirming or denying that they were responsible for a couple of recent attacks, one in a town near the border with E Ukraine. They said, that because of the reason you mentioned, they're keeping mum.

So, obviously, if they have a policy, it means...they felt the need for a policy in response to queries about the recent incidents.

Still, this doesn't tell us about the two incidents mentioned in the blog, which were much farther away. IOW, those weren't incidents involving any rockets of theirs. They could have been pulled off by Russia's own citizens: perhaps anti-war elements in society, or unhappy soldiers on leave or dismissed from service. There's no way to know.
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Old 05-05-2022, 07:27 PM
 
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Communist aggressors want people to believe their bizarre thinking that it's OK for Russia to attack Ukraine, but Ukraine can't attack back. Ukraine can and have attacked back. They are not alone. Most of the world is behind them. Here is a graph of countries that support Ukraine by GDP. You hear a lot about the US involvement, but they are in the middle by GDP.

https://www.statista.com/chart/27331...o-ukraine-aid/

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Old 05-05-2022, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Newburyport, MA
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Ukraine recently issued a statement, that they're not confirming or denying that they were responsible for a couple of recent attacks, one in a town near the border with E Ukraine. They said, that because of the reason you mentioned, they're keeping mum.

So, obviously, if they have a policy, it means...they felt the need for a policy in response to queries about the recent incidents.

Still, this doesn't tell us about the two incidents mentioned in the blog, which were much farther away. IOW, those weren't incidents involving any rockets of theirs. They could have been pulled off by Russia's own citizens: perhaps anti-war elements in society, or unhappy soldiers on leave or dismissed from service. There's no way to know.
Yes, this could well be sabotage from Russian citizens. While many have been taken in by the Kremlin propaganda, many understand what is happening and are deeply unhappy with what Putin is doing. In some ways, it may actually be easier for them to express anger this way, than by protesting on the street - anyone who protests on the street is quickly noticed and just as quickly arrested, but these kind of clandestine actions, even if more extreme, might be easier to succeed with.
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Old 05-05-2022, 07:53 PM
 
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Well the truth finally came out, though nobody should be surprised.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-intel-h...213149015.html

In response to U.S. intel support, Russia is now launching missiles from submarines. I saw this coming weeks ago. Submarines are almost impossible to sink unless you have sophisticated anti-submarine aircraft. Even then it is extremely difficult. If the goal is to get Putin to back down, it isn't working.
Yup. I can't for the life of me understand, why the US side is sharing all its strategies publicly. That makes no sense, and is unprecedented. Are our officials really that foolish? I don't get it. I mean, they outright gloated that their intel helped Ukraine take out a few generals!

Whatever happened to secret codes, keeping info and intel highly classified? Where are the Navajo code talkers when you need them? Oh, right; they were declassified.

What the F is going on?!

If there's a coup while P is in the hospital, somebody had better tell the general who's now the commander of the whole effort, to knock it off with the submarine-launched missiles. And with the whole war, for that matter. Good grief! Sit tight, everyone; it's going to get even more interesting... (I'm not sure how much more I can take!)
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Old 05-05-2022, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Newburyport, MA
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If the Ukraine is attacking Russia, that would be a big mistake. Right now, they can sit back and claim to be the victim but if they go on the offensive in Russia, it will only provide justification for Putin imposing a draft or support him bringing in other countries or attacking other nations. Too many nations throughout history made the mistake of attacking the Russian heartland directly (France and Germany). They will throw body after body at you until you breakdown. Ukraine don’t fall for it despite what the U.K. and U.S. is trying to get you to do.
It's not "the Ukraine", it's just "Ukraine", an independent nation. And while yes, it's possible that such attacks will anger Putin, the idea that the best course of action is for Ukraine to be a victim is just wrong. Russia is destroying Ukrainian cities and killing their people. What they are doing to Ukraine is already terrible. I also disagree with your characterization that other nations are tricking Ukraine into defending itself. Nonsense. Whether you listen to Ukraine's political leaders, it's fighting men and women or its lay people - they want to fight back, they don't want to be slaughtered by Putin's army and they don't want to live life under Putin's boot. No one needs to convince them.
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Old 05-05-2022, 08:01 PM
 
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Ukraine recently issued a statement, that they're not confirming or denying that they were responsible for a couple of recent attacks, one in a town near the border with E Ukraine. They said, that because of the reason you mentioned, they're keeping mum.

So, obviously, if they have a policy, it means...they felt the need for a policy in response to queries about the recent incidents.

Still, this doesn't tell us about the two incidents mentioned in the blog, which were much farther away. IOW, those weren't incidents involving any rockets of theirs. They could have been pulled off by Russia's own citizens: perhaps anti-war elements in society, or unhappy soldiers on leave or dismissed from service. There's no way to know.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Russian government did it. There have many numerous examples of false flag type operations designed to rally public support.
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