Westward Expansion (Houston, Katy, Richmond: to buy, elementary schools, incomes)

[Johnhw2]

Houston has a record of growth in more directions than DFW. I dont know much about Atlanta. Clear Lake City was one of the earliest MPC's, the owner of CLC donated land to Rice who donate it for NASA Johnson Space Center. Kingwood and the Woodlands were the next mega MPC's developed. They both exceed 10k acres in size. First Colony, Cinco and Copperfield came along next I believe were smaller than the 2 mega MPCs.

Development slowed to the SW as flood or levee districts were needed and added a taxing entity developments n other directions did not incur. Fairfield was next at around 3k acres as I recall. The thinking back in those days was growth NW and West were less prone to flooding. The southern Development happened later for reasons not clear in my mind.

Big commercial development pushed west which was key to the strong early push to the West and NW with large employers building center like Shell and Compaq/HP as two examples.

Will be interesting to see what WFH and more recent flooding events

[WRM20]

Originally Posted by Johnhw2

Houston has a record of growth in more directions than DFW. I dont know much about Atlanta. Clear Lake City was one of the earliest MPC's, the owner of CLC donated land to Rice who donate it for NASA Johnson Space Center. Kingwood and the Woodlands were the next mega MPC's developed. They both exceed 10k acres in size. First Colony, Cinco and Copperfield came along next I believe were smaller than the 2 mega MPCs.

Development slowed to the SW as flood or levee districts were needed and added a taxing entity developments n other directions did not incur. Fairfield was next at around 3k acres as I recall. The thinking back in those days was growth NW and West were less prone to flooding. The southern Development happened later for reasons not clear in my mind.

Big commercial development pushed west which was key to the strong early push to the West and NW with large employers building center like Shell and Compaq/HP as two examples.

Will be interesting to see what WFH and more recent flooding events

Clear Lake City was a Friendswood Development project at a time when the company was an Exxon subsidiary. Exxon had bought the 30,000+ acre West ranch, donated the land for NASA via Rice, etc. Kingwood was a joint project of Friendswood Development and the King Ranch. Friendswood Development was sold to Lennar after all of the big Exxon land parcels were developed.

The Woodlands was something like 22,000 acres(maybe more) and was driven by George Mitchell and Mitchell Energy. The remainder was sold to Howard Hughes Corporation after George Mitchell died.

[SouthernBoy205]

Development is coming to Brookshire: 1,000+ homes.

https://communityimpact.com/houston/...ded-to-waller/

[hbcu]

School district will determine who moves in there

[LocalPlanner]

Originally Posted by hbcu

School district will determine who moves in there

Yep. I wonder what the maximum price buyers are willing to pay in Royal ISD. Generally, it's had to stay at whatever entry-level is at the time.

[NigerianNightmare]

Originally Posted by LocalPlanner

Yep. I wonder what the maximum price buyers are willing to pay in Royal ISD. Generally, it's had to stay at whatever entry-level is at the time.

If one big developer goes in there, can't they just set the tone regardless of the existing school district. While it isn't highly rated, it's only 2400 kids, and 670 in their High school. If they go 6A schools within the district, one new development could drown out the reputation of the town. Even typical starter homes are probably above the price point of the majority of Brookshire not zoned to Katy ISD schools.

[NTexas2010]

Originally Posted by NigerianNightmare

If one big developer goes in there, can't they just set the tone regardless of the existing school district. While it isn't highly rated, it's only 2400 kids, and 670 in their High school. If they go 6A schools within the district, one new development could drown out the reputation of the town. Even typical starter homes are probably above the price point of the majority of Brookshire not zoned to Katy ISD schools.

Chicken : Egg paradox. What establishes the price point for a given housing market? Quality of schools, for starters. What dictates the quality of schools? Generally, the price points of said housing market.

Convince people the neighborhood is worth paying a premium (relative to existing housing stock), and you may start to turn the tide on the perception of the school district (Assuming families are willing to enroll their kids in the local ISD). As the perception turns, the housing market may pick up, and thus the area starts appreciating in value. As the area appreciates in value and attracts higher income families, the schools continue to improve.

Brenham ISD and a few other country ISDs come to mind.

[LocalPlanner]

Originally Posted by NTexas2010

Chicken : Egg paradox. What establishes the price point for a given housing market? Quality of schools, for starters. What dictates the quality of schools? Generally, the price points of said housing market.

Convince people the neighborhood is worth paying a premium (relative to existing housing stock), and you may start to turn the tide on the perception of the school district (Assuming families are willing to enroll their kids in the local ISD). As the perception turns, the housing market may pick up, and thus the area starts appreciating in value. As the area appreciates in value and attracts higher income families, the schools continue to improve.

Brenham ISD and a few other country ISDs come to mind.

The perception of Brenham ISD hasn't really improved despite affluent households moving to the area. Too much economic diversity for former suburbanites apparently. Typical of rural ISDs.

However, some have chosen to send their kids to Burton, which accepts transfers and apparently is more palatable.

[LocalPlanner]

Compare the starting perceptions of Royal vs. Waller. Waller was more of an unknown - not necessarily good or bad reputation. That kind of situation is easier to make acceptable in the marketplace.

Royal, on the other hand, has had a pretty seriously negative perception. Not saying any of this is fair of course, just stating what the market perception has been. It's harder to turn that around with new development vs. the Waller situation.

[hbcu]

Originally Posted by LocalPlanner

Compare the starting perceptions of Royal vs. Waller. Waller was more of an unknown - not necessarily good or bad reputation. That kind of situation is easier to make acceptable in the marketplace.

Royal, on the other hand, has had a pretty seriously negative perception. Not saying any of this is fair of course, just stating what the market perception has been. It's harder to turn that around with new development vs. the Waller situation.

Yep - waller was "out there" and you hear little about it But they invested in new schools for the past 20 years so it looks nice lol -

Royal never has been the place to go - the actual city/town is dead, demographics aren't in its favor, etc - only way you'll avoid feeding the stigma is they construct a new school specifically for that development