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And lets take back Coke, Pepsi, Caterpilar, GE, GM and all american fast food chains out from other countries
That's a great idea. If these companies never moved overseas in the first place, there would be less unemployed Americans right now. That's the way it's used to be actually. For the real Americans here, you can ask your parents or grandparents about the prosperity of the middle class before corporations sold out American workers for cheaper foreign labors. I applaud any country that tries to protect its citizens against foreign immigration fraud and abuse. I just wish my own country would do that for its citizens.
Yes, send them all back home. We will take back US workers in foreign countries.
You would have to be living in a rock to believe in the "Americans are not as educated" BS. There have been many American engineers and scientists losing their jobs to cheaper foreigners. It's all about corporate greed, and it's killing this country.
I agree. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see this. Something tells me that some of the posters here who are advocates for h1b are h1b workers. It is all about corporate greed, absolutely. Excessive reliance on cheaper but necessarily better foreign labor is displacing qualified Americans which has certainly contributed to the skyrocketing unemployment rate. It's ridiculous.
I say send 90% of them back and recognize that there is an ABUNDANCE of qualified American workers here who are quite capable. What other countries do is their business.
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Don't know much about ALL visas, but for IT engineers from India, you need to have at least a bachelors degree and 3+years of experience. That is the basic eligibility.
WHAT?! Who says?!
There are people here from India with H-1B visas who have had a total of six months of college computer classes. And then there are the ones with fake degrees altogether. And BTW, if these people are so damn valuable, let them use their remarkable talents in India to bring it out of the stone age. We do not need ANY of these people here. There are hundreds of thousands of American computer professionals who are desperate for work right now, and they can do a much better job than some fifth rate H-1B slumdogs.
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Not true. Employers are required to pay foreign workers what's called the "prevailing wage" for the geographical area where the worker is to be employed. The prevailing wage is determined by the Department of Labor and must be certified in each individual case. So yeah, foreign workers are indeed paid "the going rate" -- but on top of that, the employer must jump through numerous hoops and pay legal fees. Hiring a foreign worker is actually more expensive for the employer than hiring a similarly qualified American. The sad truth is, there is an extreme shortage of highly qualified American specialists in certain areas -- and unfortunately, the remedy for that is improving education, not flag-waving.
The laws regarding prevailing wages are not enforced. It is a not-so-well kept secret that at least 99.999% of H-1B visa workers are made to work more hours for a lower salary than their American counterparts -- they are indentured to the company sponsoring them. All that rhetorical tripe you pasted comes from the pro-H-1B crowd (I think I've actually seen it verbatim at the India Caucus website...*yawn*) which has been thoroughly discredited by journalists such as Lou Dobbs. So, you may be able to shovel it elsewhere, but not here.
Does the OP wants all American citizens working abroad send back to the US the same way as he wants to ship all foreigners on visa out of this Country. I guess you will have a way higher unemployment rate and will loose out on very smart and honest people who are creating jobs in this country as well. Look at all the businesses who are bought by foreigners (E2) and hired Americans to work for them, which is one of the rules under that visa....
Maybe you should rethink about your post!
Other countries can legislate as they wish. I'm not against controlled immigration in the US, but the work visa program we have now, especially the HIB program is a mess.
I’m amazed to see some users making statements about H1B’s with little or no knowledge on this subject. Especially when they generalize H1B’s, sure there are few bad apples in every industry, but do you honestly believe Google or Microsoft or any other large companies which consumes more than half of the visa quota
1) Will pay their H1B employees less than the prevailing wages and hope that no one will complain to DOL?
2) If they did, do you think those engineers will stick to those companies?
3) Now this fake resume crap, let’s say someone had a fake resume stating that they have 10 years of experience in technology. Do you think Microsoft/Google would just look at the resume and hire them? Even if someone get hired that way, how long do you think they can last in their job? Doesn’t it sound just ridiculous?
4) Now to H1B eligibility, if you look at Indian news papers there are lots of wanted advertisements from USA (not the case this year, but I’m talking about those years when economy was doing very well), most of the employers clearly specify that the candidates must have at least a degree in computer science/engineering, but most of them prefer candidates with masters degree with at least 2 years of work experience. Now for argument sake, lets say Microsoft hires someone with 3 months computer course, what are they going to do with him/her? Mow Microsoft’s lawn?
5) Do you have any idea what the typical hiring process is for Google in India? It takes 3 written exams, 2 interviews and one coding section where the candidate has to develop a system in about 6 hours; this is all done in Google’s campus.
This focus on immigrants coming here and taking our jobs is a bit narrow. Have you tried calling for service on your cell phone recently? Note the Indian accent. Most jobs are outsourced to sweatshops overseas.
That's a great idea. If these companies never moved overseas in the first place, there would be less unemployed Americans right now. That's the way it's used to be actually. For the real Americans here, you can ask your parents or grandparents about the prosperity of the middle class before corporations sold out American workers for cheaper foreign labors. I applaud any country that tries to protect its citizens against foreign immigration fraud and abuse. I just wish my own country would do that for its citizens.
Real Americans? As opposed to the fake Americans who come here from other countries?
The problem now is not related to "fake Americans", its related to a global economy. When economies become global and trade becomes "free", you open the doors for companies with high expenses to lower them.
The people running the big corporations for the most part are ruthless. They are hired for their drive, monetary greed, and ability to make decisions that only benefit the company as a whole. If you are this type of person and you are presented with an option / loophole to shave 70% off certain costs thereby bolstering your bottom line and keeping the board very happy, what do you think they will do? Their drive far outweighs any glimmer of remorse caused by their decisions.
Believe me, I know this all to well. I work for a very large software/hardware/services company who is doing well right now because of this. But it comes at the expense of losing over 10,000 hard working individuals in the past six months. It disgusts me to no end.
Whatever is done to stop outsourcing / offshoring jobs needs to ensure the viability of the companies that are affected. If you simply tell them they cannot outsouce, they will not be able to survive.
We are not the economical powerhouse we once were. We've gotten ourselves in to a situation where we absolutely rely on other countries to survive. Look at the disparity between our exports and imports and their relation to GDP to drive that point home.
All that rhetorical tripe you pasted comes from the pro-H-1B crowd (I think I've actually seen it verbatim at the India Caucus website...*yawn*) which has been thoroughly discredited by journalists such as Lou Dobbs.
You think you've actually seen it verbatim? I hereby call upon you to provide a link to the exact language that you claim I pilfered. Short of that, I expect you to admit that you are a liar.
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The laws regarding prevailing wages are not enforced. It is a not-so-well kept secret that at least 99.999% of H-1B visa workers are made to work more hours for a lower salary than their American counterparts -- they are indentured to the company sponsoring them. [...] So, you may be able to shovel it elsewhere, but not here.
It is a not-so-well kept secret that H-1B workers are paid extremely well, and that they live basically well-heeled yuppy lifestyles. It is a not-so-well kept secret that taxpayers in the US have saved a ton of money importing specialists from abroad rather than educating their own; letting other countries incur the expense of producing a first-rate workforce. It is a not-so-well kept secret that the American secondary education system is below the level of the sewer, and parents and teachers in this country spent decades being insane, spending money on non-educational projects and fashioning schools to be social policy centers, instead of academic institutions. You don't like the H-1B crowd? If you want to do something about it, you have to start by admitting that this country doesn't produce enough qualified specialists and do so something about the educational system.
what about making college more affordable for Americans? If tuition costs were lowered the USA wouldn't need to import thousands of foreign nurses each year.
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