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That's a very small handful. In most cases those on employment visas are not at all more educated and trained. Often they're right out of school, have no special job experience and no superb education that is so much better than that of Americans.
Do you have hard figures to support this sweeping statement?
Not true. Employers are required to pay foreign workers what's called the "prevailing wage" for the geographical area where the worker is to be employed. The prevailing wage is determined by the Department of Labor and must be certified in each individual case. So yeah, foreign workers are indeed paid "the going rate" -- but on top of that, the employer must jump through numerous hoops and pay legal fees. Hiring a foreign worker is actually more expensive for the employer than hiring a similarly qualified American. The sad truth is, there is an extreme shortage of highly qualified American specialists in certain areas -- and unfortunately, the remedy for that is improving education, not flag-waving.
Mmm-nursing as a profession is certified by the DOL as a shortage occupation and has been for years. Any idea how long it might take for a British nurse,who has passed the US nurse exam and has a job offer in the USA to get a visa?
There are people here from India with H-1B visas who have had a total of six months of college computer classes. And then there are the ones with fake degrees altogether. And BTW, if these people are so damn valuable, let them use their remarkable talents in India to bring it out of the stone age. We do not need ANY of these people here. There are hundreds of thousands of American computer professionals who are desperate for work right now, and they can do a much better job than some fifth rate H-1B slumdogs.
I thought this forum was entitled "legal immigration"
The original poster was correct-a Bachelors is minimum level for H-1B and several years of experience.The job applied for must require a bachelors degree as stated in the job description and the emloyer must pay all attorney costs -several thousand $. Also,usually the 60,000 per year limit for H-1B is reached on April 1st each year-which is the first application date..
Funnily enough this year the cap hasn't been reached.
what about making college more affordable for Americans? If tuition costs were lowered the USA wouldn't need to import thousands of foreign nurses each year.
See my other post-can you tell me how long it takes for a British Nurse to get a visa to work in the US?
It may also be that some Bachelors degree nurses training in the US will only have 1000 clinical hours when they qualify,whereas a foreign nurse may have years of experience and have had 3 times as many clinical hours in their training. I wonder how many clinical hours a nurse going through a 2 year Associates degree course will have.So it may not just be about the cost of the training,but the quality too.
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I’m amazed to see some users making statements about H1B’s with little or no knowledge on this subject. Especially when they generalize H1B’s, sure there are few bad apples in every industry, but do you honestly believe Google or Microsoft or any other large companies which consumes more than half of the visa quota
1) Will pay their H1B employees less than the prevailing wages and hope that no one will complain to DOL?
2) If they did, do you think those engineers will stick to those companies?
3) Now this fake resume crap, let’s say someone had a fake resume stating that they have 10 years of experience in technology. Do you think Microsoft/Google would just look at the resume and hire them? Even if someone get hired that way, how long do you think they can last in their job? Doesn’t it sound just ridiculous?
4) Now to H1B eligibility, if you look at Indian news papers there are lots of wanted advertisements from USA (not the case this year, but I’m talking about those years when economy was doing very well), most of the employers clearly specify that the candidates must have at least a degree in computer science/engineering, but most of them prefer candidates with masters degree with at least 2 years of work experience. Now for argument sake, lets say Microsoft hires someone with 3 months computer course, what are they going to do with him/her? Mow Microsoft’s lawn?
5) Do you have any idea what the typical hiring process is for Google in India? It takes 3 written exams, 2 interviews and one coding section where the candidate has to develop a system in about 6 hours; this is all done in Google’s campus.
Oh stop it. We've been over this ad infinitum. These low cost workers are indentured to the company that hires them. They know that if they do not work, they'll be made to leave as they will not have anybody to sponsor their visa. And furthermore, if these workers are so valuable, why don't they bring India out of the stoneage? Or can't they? You will not answer, nor will anybody else with a vested interest in the matter as the truth regarding H-1B visa employees as that they are inferior to American workers, though corporations are simply seeking quarterly profits and don't realize or care that in the long term, U.S. workers are superior. We make fewer syntax errors in coding and have much less difficulty thinking in abstract terms. The latter is one of the reasons India is a Third World nation and will remain that way.
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There are people here from India with H-1B visas who have had a total of six months of college computer classes. And then there are the ones with fake degrees altogether. And BTW, if these people are so damn valuable, let them use their remarkable talents in India to bring it out of the stone age. We do not need ANY of these people here. There are hundreds of thousands of American computer professionals who are desperate for work right now, and they can do a much better job than some fifth rate H-1B slumdogs.
I know exactly what you are talking about. I knew some on visas and Hb1 and they are not so brillant, just willing to work for low wages. Forget the crap about having to be paid fair wages. How about a foreign PHd making 25,000 a year. Is that a fair wage? Cheap professional wages is what it is.
I know exactly what you are talking about. I knew some on visas and Hb1 and they are not so brillant, just willing to work for low wages. Forget the crap about having to be paid fair wages. How about a foreign PHd making 25,000 a year. Is that a fair wage? Cheap professional wages is what it is.
I'm a H1B (not Hb1 - is that a new type of visa?). I've been here for the past 11 years working for various large companies. From my experience I can say there are a few small businesses abusing the system (and the employees) by finding ways to pay their employees less than the market rate, but some of the companies I worked for pay at least 30% more than the prevailing wage.
We make fewer syntax errors in coding and have much less difficulty thinking in abstract terms. The latter is one of the reasons India is a Third World nation and will remain that way.
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I'm amazed about your "We make fewer syntax errors in coding".
Are you so uninformed that you dont know that once some code is written, it has to be compiled?
Compilation catches all syntax errors.
So how does it matter if you make less errors or a 100 syntax errors?
Syntax errors are the easiest to fix, most development environments even suggest the correct syntax nowadays.
If your argument is that foreign workers make so many syntax errors and thats why the program doesnt work, it is a totally ridiculous/irrelevant/invalid argument.
"and have much less difficulty thinking in abstract terms"
Sounds more like "absurd" terms to me
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