Will the L.A. Times exist come 2025? (racist, Barack Obama, speech)

[LivingLikeAGradStudent]

Much of my life has been spent reading and working at both of The Times, Los Angeles and New York, so I can say with informed certainty that there’s not one reason — poor ownership? mismanagement? economic shifts and systemic challenges? — that the LA operation is in so much worse shape than the one based in Manhattan. For now, the market has spoken that only one general lifestyle news brand, the NYT, is worth paying for (advertising is an ancillary revenue source for most legacy publications, big and small). It’s not bias/propaganda, on any kind of determinative scale.

[skyway31]

Originally Posted by LivingLikeAGradStudent

Much of my life has been spent reading and working at both of The Times, Los Angeles and New York, so I can say with informed certainty that there’s not one reason — poor ownership? mismanagement? economic shifts and systemic challenges? — that the LA operation is in so much worse shape than the one based in Manhattan. For now, the market has spoken that only one general lifestyle news brand, the NYT, is worth paying for (advertising is an ancillary revenue source for most legacy publications, big and small). It’s not bias/propaganda, on any kind of determinative scale.

On one hand, you correctly refer to the market having spoken on the LAT. For some reason, you don’t acknowledge that the obvious bias seen throughout the articles written in LAT contributes heavily to the market response.

The NYT also has a leftward bias, but they’ve tried to also include non-extremist views (like John McWhorter and some opinion writers). The LAT exclusively panders to leftist extremists (who call themselves ‘Progressive’). While there is demand for this brand of propaganda, there is ample supply available for free. So, there’s just no reason to pay for propaganda that is available for free elsewhere.

[Goodnight]

I don't see any of the major newspapers losing subscriptions because of bias, it's more to do with readers leaning into social media and converting from paper to digital. Readers can look to other sources to confirm their opinions. Always interesting to see some of the sources from Alex Jones to Red State News that get posted on this forum.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by skyway31

Is that why the Washington Post sends me emails offering subscriptions for $1 a week?

Or the N.Y. Times, or the Orange County Register, or nearly any newspaper today. I meant if one wanted to subscribe longer than for just the four to six week period during which the teaser rates are offered.

[Wrv2424]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Or the N.Y. Times, or the Orange County Register, or nearly any newspaper today. I meant if one wanted to subscribe longer than for just the four to six week period during which the teaser rates are offered.

Again, as someone from LA, LA Slimes is progressive propaganda only white boomers read. It’s a racist news source that now caters to illegals as they know demographic destiny of California. I love when non-So Cal progressives pretend they know our politics when So Cal wasn’t progressive until illegals and Midwest/East coast far leftists started transforming our state into a dystopia of the white rich progressive and the illegals have nots, screwing us in the Middle Class.

PS - New York times? The newspaper is controlled by a Mexican billionaire that pushes leftist propaganda and illegal immigration while demonizing American citizens. LOL! Like the foreign controlled NewYork Slimes, LA Times is pure ideological propaganda from cretins that are not locals. Good riddance to the far leftist propaganda.

[CA4Now]

"Every day, what’s left of the once-mighty ranks of reporters across this country tap out stories meant to inform, entertain and expose.

Sometimes they are the work of minutes, the first bits of knowledge on breaking news such as fires, storms or even elections. Sometimes they are investigations that have taken years.

Inevitably, as soon as we publish, rich dudes with algorithms come in and sweep this work away for their own profit, like deodorant off a Target shelf. Every. Single. Story.

Retail theft is causing a civic meltdown and inspiring a ballot measure to incarcerate repeat toothpaste thieves.

But billionaire tech bros dismantling democracy for profit, stealing thousands of times a minute by selling advertising against something they don’t own? That barely gets a shrug, even as more media professionals are laid off, more publications close, and reliable information becomes so scarce and hard to spot that truth itself has become political.

“It’s sad on many levels,” state Sen. Tom Umberg told me when I asked him what he thought of recent layoffs in media — including the loss of more than 100 of my colleagues at this paper, and cuts at other publications including the Wall Street Journal, Time, Condé Nast and the Messenger.

In all, nearly 600 news jobs were cut in January."

https://www.challengergray.com/blog/...ial-tech-lead/

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...s-news-outlets

[latunafish]

i realize this thread started out about a newspaper on the left coast and has morphed across the country to include both coast's newspaper. so, i will interject my opinion on newspaper's demise.


i was born, raised in the middle of the country and started life reading a regional paper at my parents house as a preteen. i would go to school and read all available papers. (two state and some locals) i even had a newspaper delivered to my deer camp during hunting season for years. i loved newspapers.


in our 75+ years old family business, we have advertised in newspapers for decades and decades. as the owner/operator of the business, i stop all print media ads about 10 years ago. the reason was very simple, we were not getting any noticeable response from the print ads.


i still read two daily papers and two weekly papers, all digital. i don't even know a friend, family member or business associate that reads any newspapers, paper or digital.

[skyway31]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

"Every day, what’s left of the once-mighty ranks of reporters across this country tap out stories meant to inform, entertain and expose.

Sometimes they are the work of minutes, the first bits of knowledge on breaking news such as fires, storms or even elections. Sometimes they are investigations that have taken years.

Inevitably, as soon as we publish, rich dudes with algorithms come in and sweep this work away for their own profit, like deodorant off a Target shelf. Every. Single. Story.

Retail theft is causing a civic meltdown and inspiring a ballot measure to incarcerate repeat toothpaste thieves.

But billionaire tech bros dismantling democracy for profit, stealing thousands of times a minute by selling advertising against something they don’t own? That barely gets a shrug, even as more media professionals are laid off, more publications close, and reliable information becomes so scarce and hard to spot that truth itself has become political.

“It’s sad on many levels,” state Sen. Tom Umberg told me when I asked him what he thought of recent layoffs in media — including the loss of more than 100 of my colleagues at this paper, and cuts at other publications including the Wall Street Journal, Time, Condé Nast and the Messenger.

In all, nearly 600 news jobs were cut in January."

https://www.challengergray.com/blog/...ial-tech-lead/

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...s-news-outlets

I didn’t click the LAT link on purpose. But, is it seriously arguing that the FREE MARKET- which is as democratic as anything can possibly be- deciding that the business model and approach taken by these media companies is not viable amounts to “dismantling democracy”? What a stupid thing to say. Moreover, it amounts to yet further evidence that the media orgs see themselves not as disseminators of factual news, but as activist players in society. These orgs simply must be allowed to fail.

[CA4Now]

The Collapse of Newspapers Puts Democracy in Peril:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/26/o...ournalism.html

[ntwrkguy1]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

The Collapse of Newspapers Puts Democracy in Peril:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/26/o...ournalism.html

I see that the NYTimes incorrectly spelled "Bias" as "Collapse".

The print media is absolutely its own worst enemy. They are discovering that peddling a biased agenda, instead of reporting on FACTS, is bad for business.

The LA Times will continue to stumble along, as smooth and coherent as a Joe Biden speech. The death knell will likely come by 2028, as there's only so many millions of losses that the billionaire owner will be willing to tolerate.