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Exactly. How many "required shots" does every service member get upon entering the service? We didn't hear any big protest about those shots, which presumably everyone got. Why the opposition now over the Covid vaccine? These marines claim it's a "political purge," which is ironic, since it is they who are making the political (1st Amendment) decision to refuse the vaccine, while the White House is making a public safety decision in the midst of a global pandemic. These marines' excuses and whining are really pathetic in the circumstance.
Two reasons. First, they’ve already had COVID and so have the antibodies to fight the virus. Two, the vaccine has not gone through the usual long term testing to know the risk of injury, death, or potential of birth defects. Think back to the anthrax vaccine and how it ruined the lives of many service members. No vaccine that hasn’t gone through long term testing should be made a requirement, especially since the federal government has issued a blanket protection of the drug companies from liability should people suffer severe side effects or death from the vaccines.
"The science" is trying hard to keep up with this novel virus and its variants. But "natural immunity from prior infection" is apparently not nearly as "immune" as you seem to imply. As reported on Dec 17, 2021:
"The protection afforded by past infection against reinfection with Omicron may be as low as 19%, Imperial College (ICL) said in a statement, noting that the study had not yet been peer reviewed."
So it looks like those who were previously infected may have as many or more breakthrough cases as those who were vaccinated. In other words, mandating that everyone get the vaccine IS following the science, as currently understood.
Sure, this is for Omicron specifically, although I note that we are still learning about the Omicron variant. In any event, Omicron is far less likely to cause serious illness than other COVID variants (which are not likely to cause serious illness in the overwhelming majority of cases anyway).
But, by that logic, the vaccines don't provide as much "immunity" as some may think either, with the standard series providing (per current estimates) between 30%-40% protection against symptomatic infection against Omicron: https://www.medpagetoday.com/special...clusives/96172
Sure, that percentage increases to 70% with a booster shot, but we won't be able to booster ourselves out of this pandemic.
Still, it's important to reiterate that Omicron is far less severe of a variant in general, which some are attributing to changes in the virus itself, as well as to higher levels of immunity, both from vaccines and from those who have recovered from the virus: https://www.economist.com/science-an...rlier-variants
Obviously you cannot read. Wow. Reading the post you responded to, you either jumped four levels of assumptions or cannot read. He never said “vaccines are useless “, not even close to what he said.
It’s difficult having a back and forth discussion if the responses are not read accurately. Can’t debate someone who can’t understand what was stated. Bless his heart.
Oh I can read. He said exactly what I referred to. Go back to his post. Try again. Reading comprehension?
OP's thread title: Vaccine mandate political with zero exemptions given
The fact that the mandate is applied to all without exemptions means it is 100% non-political and fair to all across the board.
Respectfully, I disagree. Something can be universally applied and still be political if ideology and the such is the reason for the policy to begin with. I'm not arguing that's what happened here for this particular post of mine, but things aren't as simple as you make them seem. Now, something being universally applied means that there is no discrimination, but not inherently that politics weren't at play.
So there’s some textual prohibition from any of the major world religions that explicitly ban vaccinations? All of these religious objectors willingly took other non Covid vaccinations. By refusing vaccinations these people could become sick enough to not perform their duties and contribute to a lack of combat readiness.
How many of those vaccines entered the market with the speed of the COVID vaccine? Big difference. Tried and true vs. emergency authorization. Side effects are severe.
Long testified she had two patients who reported chest pains after they were vaccinated. Both were diagnosed with pericarditis, or swelling of the outer lining of the heart. The Centers for Disease Control said it is “actively monitoring” reports of pericarditis following COVID vaccinations but said the benefits of being vaccinated “far outweigh” potential risks of having a “rare adverse reaction to vaccination.”
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Exactly. How many "required shots" does every service member get upon entering the service? We didn't hear any big protest about those shots, which presumably everyone got. Why the opposition now over the Covid vaccine? These marines claim it's a "political purge," which is ironic, since it is they who are making the political (1st Amendment) decision to refuse the vaccine, while the White House is making a public safety decision in the midst of a global pandemic. These marines' excuses and whining are really pathetic in the circumstance.
And, how many of them were discharged because of vaccine injury or died from side effects? The COVID 19 vaccine is not like the others. Do your homework for best results.
"The estimated underreporting factor for COVID jab injuries in VAERS is between 31 and 100, so the actual death toll in the U.S. could be anywhere from 278,500 to 898,600."
"VAERS data are being deleted without explanation. Each week, about 100 or so reports are routinely deleted, so there are now thousands of inexplicably missing reports."
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FWIW, the only person in the US to die from Omicron so far was unvaccinated but had already had Covid. Previous infection does not guarantee immunity.
And, that person had other underlying health issues. And, if not insured and dying with or possibly with Covid, the federal government picks up the hospital bill, if on Medicare, there is 25% premium paid for COVID care. Of course, no one would lie just to bring in the cash, would they?
"Although some media outlets characterized a Harris County man’s death as the first due to Omicron in the nation, the local health department reports underlying health issues and has not released the primary cause of death."
Previous infection doesn't guarantee immunity? Neither does the vaccine, and it can also result in death or disabilities.
Those that blindly accepted this vaccine, well, I pity them. Choice! Freedom!
1. I have had COVID and overcame it , I now have natural immunity.
2. If necessary I have ivermectin which provides better protection than experimental gene corruption.
3. Those that have been injected with experimental chemicals are still capable of both being reinfected and transmitting the desease.
1. The natural immunity is not as good as vaccine immunity, and requires that you get Covid first. Covid is far more likely to kill you.
2. There are no reliable studies that show Ivermectin to be effective at all against Covid. The Ivermectin is far more likely to kill you than the vaccine.
3. The vaccines are not chemicals. They are biologics. There's a difference. The Pfizer shot is not experimental, and has full approval. The other vaccines are not experimental, but are undergoing the final paperwork for full approval.
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