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I just visited an oral medicine specialist, he says it's probably not the zirconia, it's probably the cement. I don't know. I'm still having the zirconia taken out, Aug 13. Been a long goddam ordeal. More than a year. Maybe there's a lab or something that tests for zirconia sensitivity/allergy?
What material are you changing your crowns to? What about the cement? What cement do you currently have? If it's an allergy to the cement, then you need to find one with completely different ingredients. I had the Zirconia removed and had temps with temp cement for almost a month. No change in symptoms. Today I had emax crowns put on instead using temp cement to see how I feel before they are permanently cemented and I feel as if they are making my mouth drier. Is it possible that I'm sensitive to every material? My dentist doesn't believe it can be an allergy. I don't know what to do anymore. Anyone have a crown material suggestion?
Please update us on how the removal goes for you. Hopefully you have better luck than I do.
I've seen two new oral medicine specialists in the past two weeks. The first prescribed 10 days of prednisone and a week of acyclovir, to rule out a viral nerve infection. Didn't help.
The second specialist prescribed dexamethasone rinse (a steroid) and Klonopin, both just to get some temporary relief from the symptoms. The rinse seems to help a bit. Then I added the Klonopin (.25mg before bed). Klonopin sometimes helps with burning mouth, but they don't know why. It seems to be helping me a little, but it's a scary drug and I think it only helps with symptoms, it doesn't actually fix the problem. So I don't intend to stay on it long.
Tomorrow I get my zirconia crowns replaced with gold, by a prosthodontist I trust to do good work. Hopefully this year-and-a-half of daily hell comes to an end pretty soon.
5. Avoiding strong minty toothpastes and rinses. Especially avoiding rinses that have alcohol.
6. Getting good sleep and exercise.
7. "Oil pulling" with sesame oil after brushing. Soothes my gums and tongue, seems to reduce dry mouth.
These things don't fix the problem, but they keep it from getting a lot worse! You've got to feel like you're doing something positive every day, working in a good direction even if it's just a little bit, or you'll just go nuts.
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Has anyone had zirconium crowns replaced and, if so, did the symptoms go away? If they did, did it happen soon after or did it take a while?
I had the Zirconia taken out about 6 weeks ago. No change in symptoms. Now I have eMax on with temp cement and still the same symptoms. Tongue, roof of mouth, gums still burn and sour taste in mouth. I don't know what's going on. I was perfectly fine before I went to the dentist. Get the crowns and the burning mouth begins. I have an allergist appointment tomorrow so we'll see if they can test dental allergies. I'm not sure but it's worth a try.
Are you also having the same symptoms with Zirconia?
This is so unreal. It is a lifesaver . I am not crazy after all. It is not my imagination. I am considering going for an allergy test yet from looking over the forum here, most show no sign of allergy to the Z crown. Most dentists, from reading over the comments, disbelieve their choice of a Z crown for their patients could have any kind of allergy reaction as a Z crown is supposed to be allergy free. I am supposed to get another crown in about two months on the right side of my mouth and the last thing I want is another Z crown and make my dry mouth/lack of taste worse than it already is. I am considering not having this next crown done and let the tooth go bad and have pulled down the road when it chooses to die on its own, rather than another Z crown installed. I may even send the link to this forum to my dentist and let her decide for herself if my complaints are valid or not yet I am not sure what I am going to do. I did look at other type crowns a bit and even on other brands there are issues of dry mouth and taste issues with the tongue, so I am in a hard place now. At least from looking at these comments here, I feel okay that my feelings in my mouth are not just made up. I truly do have the dry mouth issues and the loss of taste. I will try some of the suggestions here on how to lessen the dry mouth issues yet right now I plan to keep the Z crown in and not have any future Z crowns installed. I don't want to change dentists again yet I may have to if my dentist refuses to acknowledge the possibility that I could be allergic to the metallic elements in the Z crown installed a few days ago.
I had a temporary crown put in on August 7th, wed. I just got my Bruxzir zirconium crown on Aug 21st, about 5 days ago. I have noticed a loss of taste and drymouth, which is not normal for myself. I thought it was related to the temporary crown or the glue as I had similar symptons yet said nothing. This is the first crown I have ever had. I had no expectations of what was to occur, other than googling on to see what they had to do to prep the tooth. I was not told what type of crown was going to be installed. I figured a crown was a crown. Wrong on that one.
When my tongue would wander over the rear bottom left crown it just felt funny, bad taste, plastic, not sure how to describe it. It just does not feel right to me. I think about it 24/7 unless I am occupied with a task that takes my mind off the fake Z cap tooth cover. I thought once the permanent crown came in, that would go away. It didn't. I asked the dentist after the crown was installed while there what brand or type of crown she put in and she told the above. If I had not asked her the type, she would never have told me though.
Most dentists don't like me as I ask questions. Later when I had time I did research on it and low and behold, this this is not a nonmetal crown as my dentist believes it is. It is actually made out of metal. I am in a bad spot-- I like my dentist yet my dentist truly believes this type of crown utilizes in their solo practice--to my dentist it is the best there is. The dentist practice alleges uses no metal in their services. I doubt very much if I were to tell my dentist about a possible allergy my dentist would laugh me out of the office.
Historywise for those whose might want to know a bit more: A Bruxzir crown is made from full contour zirconia from top to bottom. Zirconia is a type of porcelain that contains 90% zirconium dioxide, and a very costly crown. Zirconia (zirconium dioxide) is a white powdered metal oxide; also a ceramic, and made from zirconium, a metal with similar properties to titanium. While zirconium is not exactly a metal, it is a metallic element with atomic number of 40 and symbol is ZrO2. This highly reactive metal is not found in pure form in nature, and is most commonly isolated from the mineral zircon. ZrO2 is one of the most widely used ceramic oxides, and it is also used in abrasives, dental crowns, paint additives and joint implants. The advantage the research showed that a Z crown is 100 percent biocompatible--i.e. with no known allergies. |It is prepared from a single block of zirconis and is known as monolithic zirconia. It said too that zirconia is actually a white metal covered over with porcelain and the white metal does not let light pass through it as does other crown brands supposedly. Biocompatible alleges means it is safe to stay in your body for a long time, and supposedly not rejected by the body via immune reactions. Z crowns are milled from a chunk of crystal. The cons of Z crowns include-may wear out the opposing teeth; z crowns are tough and may prove stronger against one's natural teeth; per secondary cavity/teeth decay, the crown itself will be almost indestructible; any decay caused by the abrasion of the hard material against other teeth is not noticeable-one will not know there is decay until the crown falls off; is expensive, i.e. a one time investment that can last for years if well maintained; it is resistant to fracture and also wear and tear; is good for those that clench or grind their teeth. The alleged advantages of a Z crown--has a very high flexural strength of 1200; it bonds well with your teeth and adheres well to your tooth; require less tooth enamel to be removed prior to installation than other type crowns; and claims to be metal free; also looks natural supposedly and biocompatible 100%--no allergies are possible to it.
I give this above information to those here who may not have had the time to research the Z crown pro/con, etc. I can't believe my dentist truly believes the Z crown is not metal, unless the dentist just believed what they were told by the manufacturer.
Worse, my tooth partly aches around where the Z crown is at, maybe from the trauma of drilling the enamel and decay out of the tooth. I hope the soreness and this occasional ache goes away. I was on soft foods for the last two weeks, and also the past four days since the Z crown was installed, and just tried chewing food the past two nights. I can't eat pizza. It just doesn't like the crown. My bite appears to be okay. I just wish the dryness and the taste symptoms would vanish yet as long as I have this Z crown it won't happen.
It only has been 4 days since the Z crown was installed. I can hope it will go away. I have even put emu cream on the outside of my cheek to try to get rid of any inflammation from any possible swelling around the back of the area and used clove oil on a cotton ball and put that around the Z crown in hopes that it will seep in under the gum and help somehow.
This is just my two cents on all this stuff. Thank you for this site and forum.
-CoCo
How are you doing now? Any change in symptoms? You said your dry mouth started when you had the temp crowns on, then it wasn't the Zirconia that caused the dry mouth. It could be that your mouth is just trying to get used to something new. I thought I was allergic to the Zirconia. Had 3 Zirconia crowns removed and eMax crowns put on and my symptoms haven't changed. That means it probably wasn't the crowns in my case either. Did you have any other dental procedures done besides the crown?
How are you doing now? Any change in symptoms? You said your dry mouth started when you had the temp crowns on, then it wasn't the Zirconia that caused the dry mouth. It could be that your mouth is just trying to get used to something new. I thought I was allergic to the Zirconia. Had 3 Zirconia crowns removed and eMax crowns put on and my symptoms haven't changed. That means it probably wasn't the crowns in my case either. Did you have any other dental procedures done besides the crown?
No, the only dental procedure I had done was the zirconia crown cemented in. Before that I had no known cold sensitivity in the lower left corner of the mouth, nor any dry mouth or lost sense of taste. All that came with the temporary crown from day 1. Whatever cement glue used for the temporary crown tasted terrible. I didn't ask what content was in the temporary crown put in place. The dry mouth is there, some days worse than others. The sense of taste comes and goes. It didn't change much when the Z-crown was permanently cemented in.
It is possible it is not the Z-crown at all but some ingredient in the cement used. Until I find out more information and figure out why these symptoms showed up out of the blue, I have canceled my second crown appointments and will wait until next year to deal with those matters when I go for my dental cleaning next January. I am sure the 2nd crown issue will come up then as they will want to make an appointments to have that done at that time.
I just don't want to open Pandora's box (?) on the right side of mouth that has no issues, no pain, no coldness sensitivity currently, though it has a leaking silver filling on the bottom supposedly, and then have to deal with what I am dealing with now all over again with a double whammy of super dry mouth and further loss of taste. If it is not hurting, why disturb that side at all.
In the alternative, if it were the Z-crown partly, I am leaning toward the next crown being all porcelain, even though it is not as strong as Z-crown.
The day I can enjoy eating McDonald french fries the way I used to and eating green grapes, then it will be a positive sign that things are looking up yet that has yet to occur.
I do have a call in to my dentist office about the type of cement glue used on both the temporary crown and the permanent crown, reply pending due to holiday, if dentist responds at all. I think I may be the first and only patient she has ever had that has made a verbal complaint about the Z-crown/cement used, so not sure if she will truly believe me.
I agree that it could also be possible my mouth is trying to adjust to having this weird fake cap cemented over that back tooth. One good thing is my jaw finally stopped after about 10 days. I am trying to eat more. I have dropped weight, unplanned.
Should it be a possible cement allergy issue, it could take time for that to get out of my gums yet if it is the cement used, my Zirconia crown sits on that cement which cannot get out of my mouth very easy without removing the Z-crown. The Z-crown is not hurting me. I still don't chew much on that side though.
I also have a request into my medical doctor about a metal blood test and possible referral to an allergy clinic if needed as I am not sure how my medical insurance deals with these type tests. I hope I don't have to pay an office visit to my medical doctor just to get approval for either. I have a high deductible savings type medical and have to meet a huge deductible before insurance pays a dime. That request is also pending over the holidays as well.
I found an article about loss of taste, and haven't tried these two tips, yet may if the taste doesn't get better--apple cider vinegar and baking soda--1 T. apple cider vinegar with 1/4 tsp. baking soda mixed together inf 4 oz of water and drink that twice a day and to motivate the taste buds try using an equal part of cinnamon and honey mixed together and apply that as a paste-like substance to one's tongue, and leave on for ten minutes, and then rinse with warm water after the ten minutes is up; and one suggests use of lemons to perk up the taste buds; and ginger tea or chewing on raw pieces of ginger. All of these are supposed to stimulate the taste buds. (from http://www.doctorshealthpress.com/ge...nd-treatments/ in case anyone wants to look at this)
Other than that, I am doing okay, weigh about 102, and trying to get back up to speed on food, even though the taste may not be there. I weigh less than I was in highschool in my senior year right now.
I hope one day to wake up and have my taste and normal nondry mouth back in place for good.
I just take it one day at a time right now. Once one loses a sense of taste, it makes one appreciate food better. I will update if major changes come about.
I do have an allergy referral and made an appointment next month. I got the name/brands of what my dentist uses in her office. I still have some cold sensitivity yet I don't give it a big test either. I try to rest that left side and still don't chew a lot their. I still get dry mouth a lot. The taste is partly coming back. My mouth is aching less yet it depends on what I eat too. The Z-crown itself does not have hurt at all. The outside of the crown still feels funny to the tongue and may always be that way. I try to attack the tartar/plaque issues within 18 hours after eating before it turns to the bad stuff supposedly.
I still don't plan to get another crown anytime soon.
I did more research for fun. Corner lower crowns are very tricky to place supposedly, and get the bite to fit. If a nerve does die in a tooth it does not automatically go into an abscess supposedly but can sit there for years until it decides one day to blow up in a person so I see no need to disturb my right lower corner with Crown #2 until pain develops there. I currently have no pain or sensitivity issues in the right corner. I will keep on doing the oil pulling procedure and see how it goes.
The forum I found on crowns and root canals showed people not questioning their dentists about whatever their dentist found wrong on their teeth, even though they were not hurting at that time, and once they had the suggested work done (say a crown or root canal and later pulling the tooth, etc.) they were in far more pain than ever previously in, and some wished they had not had the work done at all. A root canal is mainly to save a dead tooth over having it pulled, and even a root canal tooth needs a crown for protection, so that is a lot of money to spend in an effort to save one tooth. The root canals cause a lot of uncalled for pain and stress for a lot of people. I would not get a root canal unless absolutely necessary. One day I will likely get a new cavity that needs drill-fill and she will want to use a porcelain or ceramic filling over silver stuff, yet the ceramic type allows for more sensitivity issues though. Hopefully my home care will be enough to not have to deal with future cavities.
I truly do feel if i were to go with Crown #2 where my dentist wants to place it, my right side of my mouth will be totally screwed. I have already done my left side in but not the right side.
For me, if it comes down to a quality of life issue, foodwise, and I like to eat, if future tooth pain is bearable I would rather deal with that than lose eating due to food sensitivity issues.
I tried McDonald fries. They are okay, not great. There are still some foods that don't go well--chips for one. Yet I won't give up. I keep trying stuff here and there to see how the bite feels on the crown side. By the time I go back in January for the routine cleaning, I will know better how the bite is by that time.
I am just trying to eat now to keep my weight stable at least to 105. Goal is to get to between 105 and 110 pounds yet that requires a lot of food.
For right now I have a good dentist for regular teeth cleaning, plus I also go to the gum specialist cleaner person--they share the duties, every 3 months, due to the perio problem with my gums. I like the gum cleaner office person better so far. One thing that is interesting--my current dentist does not check my blood pressure, but everybody else does! It would have been good to know how high it was when my temporary crown was being put in that day.
I am still alive and doing okay, considering everything. If it changes, I will update again.
Hi all. This is my first experience with a crown. Over the summer I had a PFM crown placed. IMMEDIATELY upon placement I had a bad taste in my mouth (plus I hated the look of it). I went to a new dentist and he explained it could be a reaction to the metal and he recommended switching to Zirconium, which I did. I love the look of the Z crown but the bad taste persists (the 2 weeks I had the temp crown were amazing, taste was totally gone and I felt back to normal). But here I am months later still suffering. I have such good dental hygiene yet I feel like I have bad breath due to this taste that so clearly is coming from the crown. However Ive been told countless times by numerous dentists that there’s no way it can be the crown. I also notice there are white spots on my tongue on the side of my mouth where the crown is. But unlike others on this forum I don’t have a burning sensation or dry mouth; just the taste. Any thoughts??
Hi all. This is my first experience with a crown. Over the summer I had a PFM crown placed. IMMEDIATELY upon placement I had a bad taste in my mouth (plus I hated the look of it). I went to a new dentist and he explained it could be a reaction to the metal and he recommended switching to Zirconium, which I did. I love the look of the Z crown but the bad taste persists (the 2 weeks I had the temp crown were amazing, taste was totally gone and I felt back to normal). But here I am months later still suffering. I have such good dental hygiene yet I feel like I have bad breath due to this taste that so clearly is coming from the crown. However Ive been told countless times by numerous dentists that there’s no way it can be the crown. I also notice there are white spots on my tongue on the side of my mouth where the crown is. But unlike others on this forum I don’t have a burning sensation or dry mouth; just the taste. Any thoughts??
Do the white spots ever go away or have they been there the entire time you've had the Zirconia crown? The bad taste can also be caused by an open margin in the crown. The food and bacteria and be getting stuck in there and causing the smell because it's not completely sealed around the gums.
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