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Thanks for this thread. I had an emax bridge that gave me an allergic reaction. Had it removed and a metal to porcelain bridge put in with metal that I tested not allergic to. Symptoms went away with temps and new metal fused to porcelain bridge. Now need a new crown and zirconia is suggested. I am worried about an allergic reaction so would rather do porcelain fused to metal but the metal I used was discontinued. I caution anyone against emax. It is very hard to remove. Needs to be ground out not slotted and screw driver twisted out like the metal fused to porcelain.
How is the procedure to remove the zirconia?
If anyone needs dental material allergy testing I had testing done at two places.
It has been a while but you can order the tests yourself and then you go to a general medical blood draw testing service to get your blood drawn. I found both reports useful.
Thanks for this thread. I had an emax bridge that gave me an allergic reaction. Had it removed and a metal to porcelain bridge put in with metal that I tested not allergic to. Symptoms went away with temps and new metal fused to porcelain bridge. Now need a new crown and zirconia is suggested. I am worried about an allergic reaction so would rather do porcelain fused to metal but the metal I used was discontinued. I caution anyone against emax. It is very hard to remove. Needs to be ground out not slotted and screw driver twisted out like the metal fused to porcelain.
How is the procedure to remove the zirconia?
If anyone needs dental material allergy testing I had testing done at two places.
It has been a while but you can order the tests yourself and then you go to a general medical blood draw testing service to get your blood drawn. I found both reports useful.
What type of allergic reaction did you have to the eMax? Was it something visible that the dentist could tell was a reaction?
I had Zirconia and they were horrible to remove. I had 3 taken off and it took more than an hour. They had to be ground down and cut off. Came off in pieces. It was brutal. Now I have eMax but my burning tongue and gums still continues. Not looking forward to when I'm going to need these removed and replaced.
It took about 8 hours to get the emax out since it was a large bridge (7 teeth). The dentist closed the practice for the day just to work on it. I really caution anyone against getting emax.
In terms of the reaction, it was years ago but I remember sort of pawing at my mouth like a dog, wanting that stuff out of there. There was some sort of reaction in the back of my throat (like an itching) and my lip swelled that was on top of, and in contact with the emax. But the dentists said they could barely tell. They could see it sort of, a little bit. Maybe it was the white spots that you are all talking about. Honestly I don't really remember. I was just miserable and wanted that stuff out. I thought I looked chimpmuckish but they didn't know what I normally looked like so sort of, could see the swelling. I had to go to someone else to get them out. The dentist who put them in wouldn't do it. Too hard to do.
At first the dentist thought it was the bonding agent not cured so they tried curing it with a light. I talked to the bonding agent maker and they said it would have just cured over time.
It has made me really cautious with dental materials. When the time comes I'm going dentures and not implants. I want something that if it isn't working I can just take it out and try something else.
Everyone keeps telling me to try zirconia and my two allergy reports say I will be fine with it. But I'd rather stay with metal fused to porcelain or go full metal. Surprisingly, in the Denver area, it is hard to find a dentist that works with metal anymore. Most seem to only want to put in zirconia and emax crowns.
Yes, metal is considered "old school" now since everyone wants something non metal, strong, and aesthetically pleasing. That's where the Zirconia and eMax come in. I initially thought I was having an allergic reaction to the Zirconia but it was all removed and now I have eMax and my symptoms are the same. My symptoms even continued with the temps in between so that means it was never an allergy. Now it seems like it could have been some type of nerve damage from all the dental work. No doctor has been able to tell me if it will ever get better or go away.
The Zirconia is just as hard to remove as the eMax, so good luck with whatever you choose.
Sorry to hear about the nerve damage. My symptoms went away as soon as the emax was removed and the subsequent allergy report said I was allergic to emax. Temps were the best material and the most comfortable for me. Metal fused with porcelain is OK. Has been a couple of years since I had this one put in. However, it was replacing a very old metal fused with porcelain bridge (25+ years old) and I wonder if having that in all these years is the reason why I have so many metal allergies today.
Minor update: 14 days ago I went to the allergy doctor, giving what information I had on name/brand/ingredients of the temporary/permanent cement glue used by the dentists for the Bruxzir crown placed in my mouth back in mid August this year. I took the paper from the allergy doctor to my dentist for them to either give samples of such or name of the company they got it from so the allergy doctor could try for samples. Still no news.
I called my dentist several days later as to status, who said thet had left several messages for the allergy doctor to call them back, as they need more information before they fax anything over to the allergy doctor.
I called my dentist today and told the same thing--still no word from my allergy doctor. However, the dentist herself answered the first phone call--said they can't provide any free samples of their material, yet can provide the company name they order from but will only do so by fax to the allergy doctor yet until they get a call back from the allergy doctor they refuse to send any information over. While being on hold while being transferred back to the reception desk, the phone got disconnected. So I called back. I tried to find out what additional information they needed from the doctor yet was denied. The receptionist said I was not given a zirconium crown, that their messages had not been returned by the allergy doctor. I told the receptionist while it was a ceramic crown there was zirconium in the crown installed. The lady was not happy with me at all. I told her I would call the allergy doctor back.
The allergy place has no record of the dentist messages from their to the allergy doctor that they can locate. They will put another message to have the allergy doctor call the dentist.
I can understand why they wouldn't want me to have the company name they order from as it is business information that needs to be kept private yet why they decline to give out free samples of the glue they use which they have on hand in their office is beyond me. I recall in an earlier call in September that their office supported me in my seeking an allergy test yet not any more.
I will try to stay positive though. Life is too short.
I still have my cleaning appointment in early January 2020 with my dentist which I still plan to keep. My plan is to go to it, let them do the xrays, do the mouth tool evaluation and should there be any teeth work suggested other than the second crown, then I will not protest her recommendations yet will use a valid excuse of my job going from monthly payroll to biweekly payroll and that several things are having to be delayed for a bit, and imply by silence, if necesssary, that when things are better I will call for an appointment for other stuff, and for now just make a six month cleaning appointment six months from the last cleaning.
I do have a gut feeling that I need to lay off a bit here as I don't want to pick a 4th dentist, as my insurance pays with this dentist and they also take Care Credit credit card for my part of the bill, which not many offices accept. My dentist seemed very short and not happy with me and got me transferred over to the reception person quickly. She was nice and I was nice. I think that I am likely the only patient she has ever had that has ever questioned her decisions/procedures/materials in her dental practice. I recall when I saw this dentist this summer that she took xrays, did a probe exam and said I needed two crowns, not just fill and drill as the dental school was going to do, and if I disagreed I could go elsewhere. I was pressured right there to decide or leave and think about it and call her back. I decided to go with her suggestions and let her do the first crown on the lower left back corner of the mouth in August 2019. My mouth has never been the same since that date.
I know the gum specialist dentist cleaner person a few weeks ago sent some type of report on what he found on that tooth (that needs a crown) to my dentist person yet have no clue what he included in that report. I won't say that I won't get another crown from her or any other dentist yet I am going to proceed very cautious here.
My lower right jaw sometimes pops and goes out of place, TMJ thing and any crown would be hard to place there without constant adjustments required. I have less room on the right size than I do on the left side. So I am still prone as long as there is no pain issue present or one that it present that I cannot tolerate , there is no point in opening up Pandora's box, and let her put in a second crown, when it could be months or years until the other tooth presents a problem.
I will not give up on this though. It is my mouth. I refuse to be intimidated to getting a second crown until the bugs are worked out of the first one, even if the dentist does not believe me.
I also recall when I got the temporary crown the dentist did not say anything about how to keep it clean or how to eat, but that I could eat anything I wanted, and if it came off to come back and she would put it back on. If I had not researched dental procedures, particularly crowns and the varying brands/types, etc, then I would not have been told the specific crown she installed in my mouth in mid August. Until I asked people at work who had crowns specifics about it, none of them could tell me the brand/type, etc as to them a crown is a crown and not for them to question the doctor about as the dentist/doctor knows best. Even in my general search on crowns it came up with many types of crowns yet it did not come up with the Bruxzir crown placed in my mouth, until a specific search was done.
Plus, with the slowness of the allergy and dentist communication going forth, it may be a long time before I find out anything about potential allergies or reasons for the sudden dry mouth and loss of taste sensation that occurred shortly after the zirconium crown was placed. I It still comes and goes. I can live with it. I have no choice however.
I have a good allergy doctor who is very thorough and takes her time. I trust her. It is just going a little slower than I wished.
Yet I have other things to deal with-adjusting to the time change. Maybe in two weeks I will be back to some kind of normal. Until then I do the best I can and hope my state next year will go with one or the other and do away with it. I would rather have the hour of daylight at the end of the day to go biking, etc than in the morning when I can't take advantage of it. The time change is off topic yet it will help me forgot about the occasional dry mouth and loss of taste issues.
coco,
Sorry to hear about your experiences. Out of curiosity I looked up Bruxzir in my allergy report and it says I am OK with it in the Clifford report. It wasn't called out in my Biocomp labs report so if you decide to get dental materials testing with them then I suggest calling to be sure they test for the specific materials used on you. My test is from 2014 so it may have been added since then.
If you want to list the other items, cement, etching, bonding etc. items used on you I will look in my reports to see if they are covered.
The reason I am reading this forum as I too am getting the run around from my dentist. Before I started going to them I called and asked if they were OK working with someone with dental material allergies. Told them I had reports that showed what was OK and what wasn't and if I needed any crowns they needed to be metal fused to porcelain. They said they were fine.
Now it is 4 years later and I may be needing a crown. They suggested zirconia or emax. I retold them about my reaction and said I wanted metal fused to porcelain. I asked for the name brands of the porcelain and the metal alloy. They sent over emax and zirconia dental ids. I reiterated my request and gave an example, saying I had this used on me before and would like to use the same or check what they are using against my allergy reports to be sure it is OK.
Response was "These requests are outside of the scope of what we can provide for you." So I need to find another dentist. I requested my x-rays. I got x-rays from 2015 and 2018 but none that were taken of the tooth that needs the crown in 2019. I have reiterated the request. I am going to need to find a new dentist and I don't want everyone I talk to x-raying the tooth until I decide who to go with. Part of this process was a referral to an endodontist to see if the tooth needed a root canal. It did not, but they took 3 x-rays. I requested those also. I got one x-ray of someone else's tooth. I followed up and pointed out this one wasn't mine and that I thought there would be three. I even gave them the tooth number. So far no response from either office.
I am going to follow up with both offices again tomorrow. I'm not sure what is going through their heads. Do they think this is a choice? We are some how choosing to have dental material reactions? There is no choice here other than not getting dental work done, getting everything pulled in due time and having dentures. But who knows, maybe their brains don't work right anymore due to breathing in the fumes from dental materials and the particulates that get airborne when they are drilling.
About 3 months ago I got a new Zirconia crown. Its been a problem every since. I kept feeling a pain inbetween the teeth, but could not find it, or any dentist. Nothing would stop the pain, I tried lots of products. Went to 5 dentists. So about 3 weeks ago, the area got inflamed around where the tooth meets the crown and has hurt there too.
Now for the worst. About 3 weeks ago I started getting temporal headaches on the right side. The tooth is on far upper right. Then the symptoms increased, and I got neck pain, and nausea, and then hot tingling on my scalp. I tried to look this up and came up with a horrible autoimmune disease called "Giant Cell Arteritis" where you immune systems attacks your arteries, which closes them up.
Also Dry mouth symptoms have gotten much worse over the last few weeks. Horrible.
Am I allergic to the Zirconia, or is there something in the tooth referring pain to make the headaches or other symptoms? Is the allergy to Zirconia creating an autoimmune disease?
Its just too coincidental that the root canalled tooth has been hurting in the gum areas, and now I have the symptoms of autoimmune.
To rule this out as a cause of the headaches, I will have the tooth extracted on Monday. I pray that this will be the cause, and remove the Dry Mouth, and headaches. Otherwise I will have to take high dose steroids to get rid of the symptoms.
Remember Dick Van **** had his titanium implants removed because of headaches. Something wrong with these materials.
Sandrac11, I have the same problem with dry mouth. I got prescription pilocarpine for dry mouth, and it actually does work to generate saliva. I had the prescription from my doc when the dry mouth was moderate, but it recently got so bad, that I started to use the prescription. Dry mouth is a horrible situation.
Explorer 500, did you just get the crown or was there a root canal also? Any of the materials used on you could be causing a reaction.
In my dental allergies test I'm amazed at all the products they list. For instance prophy paste gives me hives. You tell that to a dentist before they give it to you and they look at you like your crazy. But it says "NS" for not suitable on my allergies list so I actually have a test to back up what I'm saying.
But then you look at all the different stuff they use on you when doing a simple filling. Half the stuff it says I'm OK with and half it says will give a reaction. But try to get the dentist to use OK stuff. Most seem to think it is too much trouble. They just don't care.
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Zirconia Allergy?
