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Have to agree. Sounds like living at an airport in 89166 (providence). Those prop planes are super loud and annoying. It's tolerable when it's sporadic but now it's like a bee-line of flights flying overhead constantly. I used to live in Henderson with the commercial jets flying over and thought that was bad, but at least those made pleasant sounds with the jet engines and passed by quickly.
Sky Combat Ace planes N21XT, N269KD , N466MD, and N69XT were thrown out of Henderson executive after numerous noise/safety complaints from the residents. They are now flying west, north west and south west of KVGT on a daily basis (in particular Thurs, Fri, Sat and Sun), negatively impacting residents in Lone mountain all the way to Summerlin west. In addition to safety issues related to their aerobatic planes, their loud engines have become nuisance for residents in Summerlin and Lone Mountain. They are flying low, relatively slow and the reverberation of their engines lasts about 40 sec or more.
we are sick and tired of hearing them, every time they take off or land, the loud reverberation from their engines can be heard throughout the valley. Sometimes four of their E300s fly together (two of them in Lone Mountain) and two of them around Sun City, dangerously maneuvering over residential homes. They like to fly only west of KVGT for their tours around red rock and other conservation lands.
They sometimes fly right on top of Sun City more than 14 times a day (this past Friday and Saturday were particularly bad). They are flying 600 to 1000 feet above residential homes (we are 2800 ft above sea level) and they increase their altitude as soon as they are out of the City Limit. They are flying low on top of residential homes (probably for marketing) and rev their engines (like sport cars do to announce their presence). They call their tours adrenaline rush (they are meant to be super noisy and extremely loud). They are not regular Cessna or a small plane flying over your house sporadically. They have frequent scheduling and their Extra300 airplanes have a very powerful 315hp engine, and their noise exceeds 90 db (FAA's noise limit for small plane is 65 db). They are even louder when three or four of them fly together. Their super loud reverberation of their engines is the equivalent of someone running a leaf blower at your front door every few minutes for hours on end (the noise is terrible on Thursdays, Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays). This sort of pollution deserves consideration and has substantial impact on the ability to enjoy our property before the recent adoption of our area as a free auxiliary training ground.
In addition to noise pollution, there are safety issues regarding their planes flying low over residential Summerlin, they've had deadly crashes before which makes one wonder who thought it was a good idea to move them from Henderson Executive to North Las Vegas airport, which is almost in the center the town now (due to new construction rapidly growing around it). May be they bribed a politician or a City member to be here, but they are not welcomed here, as they were kicked out of Henderson.
While the touring businesses and flight schools are buying gas and may be helping local
economy, so are ten of thousands of people who live in this area and pay property taxes,
work at local businesses, shop at local businesses, etc. As the weather warms up, they are going to be out here even more often (they have bookings from 9 am all the way to 7 pm during summer). Their frequent scheduling and loud engines will eventually have a negative impact on house prices and tranquility of life in this area. When people start leaving, as they have and will continue to do, that hit to the local economy will be much more impactful than loss from some flight schools or touring business which could easily move to the outskirts of the city.
Please call your local officials, FAA local office (Manager: Richard Falcon) and North Las Vegas airport (noise abatement manager). Let them know that the frequent and loud noise of Sky Combat and other flight schools (who overfly residential areas and are looping) are becoming more than nuisance. Tens of thousands of homes are negatively being affected because FAA allows American citizens to be exposed unsafe levels of plane noise on a daily basis. This is going to be a part of daily life here in residential Sumemrlin if no action is taken against such noise pollution.
Let your local officials know:
1. Sky Combat (who has very frequent scheduling) can be moved to the outskirts of the city like Jean Airport. They are flying low over 10K homes, revving their engines, making life unpleasant for the residents who pay mortgage, property tax, utility bills, etc etc, we don't DESERVE to be exposed to such level of noise pollution on a daily basis. Move them to Jean Airport. It's in the middle of nowhere, it's a sport aviation center designed for their super noisy planes.
2. Sky Combat and most flight schools fly west of KVGT. Sky Combat tours offer top gun experience to Red Rock and other conservation lands. Until we find a way to kick them out of Summerlin, they should be rerouted (at least 50% of the times) to north of KVGT or NE. They should be forced to burn more fuel and go north of the airport (instead of west all the time).
3. Until they are moved to outskirt of the City, at the very absolute least, minimum altitudes should be changed, especially when flying over densely populated residential areas and not conducting maneuvers related to takeoffs/landings. their engines are very loud and sometimes three or four of them like to fly together to put on a show, so they should be asked to fly even higher, like 10K ft to 15K ft (which they comfortably could). They are flying in higher altitude when they are outside the City Limit, but flying low over residential homes, far before reaching the airport (which doesn't make any sense). It would take few minutes, if not seconds for them to go above 10K ft (as soon as they take off from KVGT) so their noise would be bothersome for the residents below.
This level of noise pollution is not related to some seasonal training (it's not temporary) and it's only going to get worse as the weather warms up. If NW residents (Lone Mountain) and Summerlin residents are not taking any actions, we have to hear their loud aerobatic planes over our head all the time. Call Sky Combat Ace and let them know how their noisy planes are affecting the peace and quiet in your neighborhood. We deserve to rest and enjoy our homes, and not be woken up by their loud obnoxious planes, especially during the weekends. Some days rarely we are offered more than a 10 minute window without some kind of airplane noise.
Call your local officials and ask them to move Sky Combat and flight schools (who like to overfly residential areas as early as 5am and have frequent scheduling) to outskirt of the city. When Sky Combat planes take off, it feels like we're under attack and living in a war zone. They are designed to sound like combat planes as they call them. No one deserves to live like this.
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Thank you for your research and attention to this issue. This is unacceptable. I will be writing and contacting Clark County Aviation Department as well. If we stay on top of this and apply enough pressure we will get this changed.
Thank you. It will take a community effort to kick Sky Combat out of Summerlin and Lone Mountain (NW). We should keep putting pressure on local elected officials (senators/members of congress), FAA, and North las Vegas airport. I've been writing and calling, but it takes a lot more to kick them out. They could be easily moved to Jean airport. This is out of order to fly such loud planes on top of residential homes on a daily basis. They will be here permanently and it will be a part of daily life if we don't take any actions.
Lets keep heat on. It took Henderson residents 6 years and numerous complaints to kick Sky Combat out of residential Henderson. These past two days it's been more quiet (sky combat doesn't fly Tues and Wed), but everyday I see new planes flying on top of Summerlin (flight schools). Most of these loud planes (who have frequent scheduling + fly long distances on top of residential homes) can be moved to outskirt of the City.
Here are some of the top offenders (flight schools) - everyday new planes r being added, most of them owned by the same LLCs:
ACE OF SPADES AVIATION LLC Cessna Skyhawk (piston-single) (C172)
GENERAL AVIATION LLC Cessna Skyhawk (piston-single) (C172)
ON TOP AVIATION LLC Cessna Chancellor (twin-piston) (C414) - N246BE (was just flying)
FLYRIGHT AVIATION INC Cessna Skyhawk (piston-single) (C172)
TACTICAL INTEGRATED TRAINING SOLUTIONS LLC Diamond Star (piston-single) (DA40)
FLYRIGHT AVIATION INC Cessna Skyhawk (piston-single) (C172)
Sky Combat Ace:
N21XT, N269KD , N466MD, and N69XT
Sky Combat Ace is the biggest offender, as mentioned their loud E300 combat planes have no place flying low on top of residential communities, they usually don't fly solo, their tours have 4 of their planes flying together and the reverberation of their engines is terrible when flying over the valley. They are in and out of KVGT pretty much non-stop on Thurs, Fri, Sat and Sun.
Thank you for your support.
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Originally Posted by lbc1998
Thank you for your research and attention to this issue. This is unacceptable. I will be writing and contacting Clark County Aviation Department as well. If we stay on top of this and apply enough pressure we will get this changed.
Last edited by nightowl2023; 04-04-2023 at 07:50 PM..
Just want to be clear….you bought a house 5 miles from an airport, under Class B airspace, 4 airports within 10 miles (KVGT, KLSV, KLAS, KHND), and you’re mad there is airplane noise?
1. KVGT is now in center of the town (due to residential construction rapidly growing around it).
2. We did not buy a home in a retired community (55+) right next to the airport. In fact, on the map it may seem like 6 miles, but there are thousands of homes in between the airport and our area. This area is densely populated and mostly residential.
3. Communities that are affected by Sky Combat obnoxiously loud E300s are not just those adjacent to the airport, Sky combat are flying over more than 10K residential homes, from NW (Lone Mountain) all the way to Summerlin west and beyond. This affects a large community as a whole, not just a small area next to the airport.
4. As you see based on other comments (those who have lived here for 25 years) most have never seen this level of noise pollution, this has been a recent change (suddenly we've gone from 2% to 100% increase in plane noise). These are not private jets who must use this airspace to get from A to B. 99% of the increase in traffic is related to increase in number of flight schools and touring businesses like Sky Combat who could EASILY be moved to outskirt of the City like Jean Airport. It's a sport aviation center deigned for this kind of noise pollution, outside the City limit, without bothering the law abiding, hard working, tax paying citizens below.
5. Sky Combat planes have no place in residential Summerlin (densely populated neighborhoods). FAA's own noise limit for small planes is 65 db and their planes exceeds FAA's own safety limit as they like to overfly residential homes, negatively impacting a large area far from the airport. They like to choose the shortest route to save fuel to go to Red rock & other conservation land (they only fly west of KVGT , instead of north or NE at least half of the times) and their frequent scheduling is making life hell for residents below. They are flying low (600 ft - 1000 ft), the reverberation of their engines lasts for more than 40 sec, their tours about lasts 20 min (10 min of it - almost half their trip is on top of densely populated neighborhoods) and they are in and out of KVGT almost NON-STOP on Thursdays, Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays.
7. It's not necessary to put these many student pilots and aerobatic planes that low above all of a big chunk of densely populated residential neighborhood. While the flight schools are buying gas and may be helping local economy, so are the thousands and thousands of people who live in this area and pay property taxes, pay expensive mortgages, utility bills, work at local businesses, shop at local businesses, etc. People might be sick, they may have small children/infants, they may work at night and need to catch up with some sleep during the day, they need peace and quiet without loud combat planes revving their engines on top of their heads constantly. When these people start leaving, as they have and will continue to do, that hit to the local economy will be much more impactful than loss from some flight schools which could easily move to the outskirts of the city. At the very absolute least, minimum altitudes should be changed, especially when flying over densely populated residential areas and not conducting maneuvers related to takeoffs/landings. They are flying much higher altitude when outside the city limit.
8. Sky Combat doesn't fly solo and the reverberation of their engines are much much louder when four of them fly together in different directions. This noise pollution is the equivalent of someone running a leaf blower at your front door every few minutes for hours on end. This sort of pollution deserves consideration and has substantial impact on the ability to enjoy our property, homes that existed well before the flight schools opened and certainly before the recent adoption of our area as a free auxiliary training ground.
Our Airforce Nellis is very respectful of residential areas underneath, during their exercises we heard limited noise, they always give noise advisory, and they are not flying low, non-stop, all day, everyday. Their training is temporary/seasonal. Sky Combat Ace planes are deigned to be loud (they advertise them as top gun tours and adrenaline rush) and are flying low and slow. They are like sports cars who like to rev their engines and if we don't take any action against them, they are going to stay here and adversely affect a big chunk of Summerlin residential permananly.
Summerlin residents and NW Lone Mountain residents, Plz Call your local government officials and tell them to move Sky Combat outside the residential Summerlin. Henderson kicked them out after 6 years. We don't deserve to be subjugated to this level of noise/fuel pollution inside our own homes. Thank you
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Just want to be clear….you bought a house 5 miles from an airport, under Class B airspace, 4 airports within 10 miles (KVGT, KLSV, KLAS, KHND), and you’re mad there is airplane noise?
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1. Pilots / schools are violating FAR 91.119B Minimum Safe Altitudes: Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft.
2. Sky Combat has modified their aircraft to be in violation of Part 36 Noise Standards and Airworthiness Certification
3. Sky Combat is violating Part 91.303 Aerobatic Flight:
No person may operate an aircraft in aerobatic flight—
(a) Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement;
(b) Over an open air assembly of persons;
(c) Within the lateral boundaries of the surface areas of Class B, Class C, Class D, or Class E airspace designated for an airport;
(d) Within 4 nautical miles of the center line of any Federal airway;
(e) Below an altitude of 1,500 feet above the surface; or
(f) When flight visibility is less than 3 statute miles.
Sky Combat Ace planes been out of KVGT almost non-stop today. Three/four of their E300s been flying together on top of Lone Mountain, Sun City, Summerlin West, and even Summerlin south, many residential homes/neighborhoods are being affected by their loud aerobatic planes. They can be heard From NW - Lone Mountain all the way to Summelrin West and even Summerlin South. All zip codes in Lone Mountain, Sun City, Queenridge, Summerlin West, Red Rock Ranch Rd, Pecoole Ranch, and Summerlin South are being affected. The neighborhoods right on top of their flight paths are being negatively impacted even more than others.
The loud reverberation of their engines can be heard miles and miles away. Their planes are affecting a big chunk of residential Summerlin and Lone Mountain, thousands of residential home are along their daily flight path, in between west of KVGT and red rock (where they like to fly).
Just look at the air traffic west (NW) of KVGT today, it's crazy none of Sky Combat E300s (or most flight schools) are being rerouted towards north or NE of the airport.
Plz contact local officials and ask them to move Sky Combat to outskirt of the City like Jean Airport. By moving to Jean airport, they won't have to fly over densely populated residential areas to go to red rock and other conservation land. Loud combat/aerobatic planes with murky history of previous fatal crashes have no place in densely populated residential neighborhoods. Thank you
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Originally Posted by esas
2. Sky Combat has modified their aircraft to be in violation of Part 36 Noise Standards and Airworthiness Certification
3. Sky Combat is violating Part 91.303 Aerobatic Flight:
No person may operate an aircraft in aerobatic flight—
(a) Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement;
(b) Over an open air assembly of persons;
(c) Within the lateral boundaries of the surface areas of Class B, Class C, Class D, or Class E airspace designated for an airport;
(d) Within 4 nautical miles of the center line of any Federal airway;
(e) Below an altitude of 1,500 feet above the surface; or
(f) When flight visibility is less than 3 statute miles.
Last edited by nightowl2023; 04-06-2023 at 05:33 PM..
Is this something that could be addressed at a city council meeting? Do you have time stamped video recordings with high quality audio? Document everything at all times of day and night. Have you said anything abut this at HOA meetings? Is it affecting your property value? Are there lots of people who would sign something? I don't know know what the proper procedures are to help, but wish you the best of luck. I'm sure it will take a while to make any changes if you can get them to happen.
I don't know about city council meeting, but we have emailed everyone we could get a hold of and no one cares.
They've been flying right on top of Sun City, Summerlin the whole day today. They had three flights in the morning right on top of Sun City, they had two flights around Lone Mountain (which they used edge of Sun City to get to and come back). Then they flew towards Summerlin south, and again used Sun City to get back to KVGT. This has been just a few of their flights today. Our neighborhood is their main invisible highway for getting to red rock and other conservation land. This is adversely affecting this neighborhood and many others. Home prices will go down, no body wants to live in a war zone with combat alien planes flying over (esp. those with history of previous fatal crashes). Buyers be aware.
They are ABUSING this airspace and there is NO one to stop them.
Most likely Sky Combat is in violation of Part 36 Noise Standards and Airworthiness Certification & in violation of Part 91.303 Aerobatic Flight:No person may operate an aircraft in aerobatic flight —(a) Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement.
However local authorities and FAA refuse to shut them down or send them to outskirt of the City like Jean Airport. They are all looking the other way as Sky Combat Ace loud E300s keep terrorizing residential Summerlin. Read FAA's own statement about the incident in Hoover Dam “so careless or reckless so as to endanger the life or property of another.”Sky Combat Ace had a prior fatal crash of the same model plane in Nevada, after that same plane had previously been cited by the Federal Aviation Administration for violating federal law with illegal and dangerous maneuvers, the Las Vegas Journal-Review reported(link is external)https://www.eastcountymagazine.org/a...fatal-accident
This is beyond irresponsible to allow a business like Sky Combat fly right on top of densely populated residential neighborhoods. However it seems like they are being allowed to act with complete and total impunity to harm our basic quality of life.
Their frequent scheduling, flight path, altitude, time, etc, etc, all can be found here (for documenting):
Is this something that could be addressed at a city council meeting? Do you have time stamped video recordings with high quality audio? Document everything at all times of day and night. Have you said anything abut this at HOA meetings? Is it affecting your property value? Are there lots of people who would sign something? I don't know know what the proper procedures are to help, but wish you the best of luck. I'm sure it will take a while to make any changes if you can get them to happen.
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