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I think it's hard to see, in plain view,what's there staring at us in the face, versus what we want to see. It is hard to see a situation like this clearly because it's so emotionally charged--a mother/father//child/murder/sexual abuse. But, as I have looked over what has been presented, it seems strongly that the parent/parents were involved. There's not just one thing that smells fishy there, but many, many things. And, if you look objectively, without sentiment, you can see a picture emerging that points to parental involvement. One glaring example--booking a flight to Georgia within 6 hours after your child was murdered/abused. Not normal parental behavior. The mother wearing the same dress day before and after the event. Not normal for her and someone with financial means. Isolated, it might mean nothing, but put all of these details together, and many more.
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I would have been uncontrollable if it were my little girl. Good luck ...what?? It was my opinion! You're entitled to yours! You are not however entitled to change my quote! Which is as follows!
Odd people in my opinion and most likely the guilty party. One or both!
Most of the "verifiable" errors are probably what allowed the parents to escape justice! IMO!
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I have always believed and still believe that both parents were involved.
I think they acted rationally given the circumstances. Hoards of media 24/7 and verifiable errors on the part of LE.
'Odd people are the guilty party'. Good luck. It is subjective. To me the Ramseys behaved appropriately--to you they were strange.
EXACTLY.
I was living in the Kansas City metro at the time of Jon Benet's murder. All the folks around me (friends as well as neighbors) were so "appalled" at Patsy having Jon Benet in pageants - to them, it seemed like Patsy was making her little girl into some sort of kiddie porn star.
For me, growing up in the South (as Patsy did) . . . being involved in Beauty Pageants is nothing odd at all!
And that was just the beginning of my horror at how ugly folks were about Patsy in general. I heard so many people say awful things about Patsy, based on nothing more than their perception of her. And to me, nothing she did seemed odd at all.
For ex., I was told - Patsy "must have done it" b/c when police arrived, she was fully dressed with makeup on.
Well - DUH! I don't care what happens in my life . . . I am not gonna be greeting you at the door without at least SOME makeup on. No way. And I would have done exactly what Patsy did - she put on the clothing she had worn the day before - and I would have quickly applied at least a bit of makeup while waiting for police to arrive.
I even got in the habit of sleeping in running suits when I lived in KS, in case a tornado would hit and I had to crawl out of wreckage in my pjs! It happens! I would rather crawl out in something other than a nightie!
So even tho that may not be what some folks would do, there are some like me who would do exactly what Patsy did.
And you better believe I would hire an attorney - IMMEDIATELY. I was raised to never speak to police without an attorney present, and you better believe I have raised my kids the same way. I don't care if the police think I am uncooperative or whatever! Things get turned around very quickly if you have someone in charge who is on a power or ego trip - or who is in a hurry to assign blame.
Then, I heard folks say - oh, look at how Patsy acts when she is on TV- she is so overly dramatic - the way she talks, her hand gestures, the things she says just scream GUILTY. To me, all I saw was a Southern woman doing what Southern women do - we are very expressive, use our hands a lot and yes, may appear to be overly dramatic to some people, but then - those people who say we are overly dramatic hit us as cut and dried, cold fish, huffy, etc.
So the fact that Patsy was a Southern female affected how a lot of people reacted to her, as well. I have no doubt about it b/c I heard what people said.
Also, everyone who knew Patsy well explained that when Patsy was diagnosed with ovarian cancer, Jon Benet was a toddler, and the first thing Patsy said was - "I want my child to remember me." So she decided to start doing videos - and that is when she thought of the pageants - and how much fun it would be for a mother/daughter activity - playing "dress up" and then recording the moments so in case Patsy didn't live long, at least Jon Benet would have those memories of herself with her mother.
But pageants were not ALL that they did together. There were all types of activities they did together, both inside the house and in the community. Patsy was determined her daughter would have positive memories of her mom.
Who can't understand THAT?
My personal feeling is that Jon Benet was targeted by more than one person, and her murder was carried out by more than one person.
I have developed my own "profile" of the folks who murdered Jon Benet, and I don't think they intended to murder her at all.
I have always believed and still believe that both parents were involved.
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I think it's hard to see, in plain view,what's there staring at us in the face, versus what we want to see. It is hard to see a situation like this clearly because it's so emotionally charged--a mother/father//child/murder/sexual abuse. But, as I have looked over what has been presented, it seems strongly that the parent/parents were involved. There's not just one thing that smells fishy there, but many, many things. And, if you look objectively, without sentiment, you can see a picture emerging that points to parental involvement. One glaring example--booking a flight to Georgia within 6 hours after your child was murdered/abused. Not normal parental behavior. The mother wearing the same dress day before and after the event. Not normal for her and someone with financial means. Isolated, it might mean nothing, but put all of these details together, and many more.
Precisely, and southern-ess has nothing to do with it. I knew OJ Simpson was guilty. Would have bet my entire life's fortune on it. These people's guilt isn't as clear. But, it's hard to believe someone sneaked in their home. Harder to believe someone dragged her from her bed downstairs to the basement assaulted her , zapped her with a stun gun. All that and failed to wake the sleeping dead parents. Come on. Then returned to the kitchen sat calmly and made a bizarre attempt at a ransom note for a child he/her/they had just choked the life out of. Please!
To be honest after reading all these posts . I believe that her and the brother burke crawled out of bed and were playing and I do believe that burke might have killed her by accident and then he went to get his mother and father and they staged it .It is possible to stage a crime scence they do it all the time on tv . That is my theory . But what does it matter now Patsy is dead and John ramsey is not well and in failing health and burke is grown and has kids of his own now . John had another daughter that was killed as well . It is truly sad what happened to this family . I hope that maybe one day we will know the truth but I think that died along with patsy and jon benet .
To be honest after reading all these posts . I believe that her and the brother burke crawled out of bed and were playing and I do believe that burke might have killed her by accident and then he went to get his mother and father and they staged it .It is possible to stage a crime scence they do it all the time on tv . That is my theory . But what does it matter now Patsy is dead and John ramsey is not well and in failing health and burke is grown and has kids of his own now . John had another daughter that was killed as well . It is truly sad what happened to this family . I hope that maybe one day we will know the truth but I think that died along with patsy and jon benet .
True ! I did forget and left him out of the equation. Very good point and I thought of the possibility early on. Sibling rivalry. She probably got much more attention. But, the strangling method ..use of a stun gun.. Seems unlikely. Even if parents were covering for him would they go as far as strangling her post death etc??? I figure the father really most likely candidate. But, if he's innocent I concede it's terrible to suspect him.
I think it's hard to see, in plain view,what's there staring at us in the face, versus what we want to see. It is hard to see a situation like this clearly because it's so emotionally charged--a mother/father//child/murder/sexual abuse. But, as I have looked over what has been presented, it seems strongly that the parent/parents were involved. There's not just one thing that smells fishy there, but many, many things. And, if you look objectively, without sentiment, you can see a picture emerging that points to parental involvement. One glaring example--booking a flight to Georgia within 6 hours after your child was murdered/abused. Not normal parental behavior. The mother wearing the same dress day before and after the event. Not normal for her and someone with financial means. Isolated, it might mean nothing, but put all of these details together, and many more.
Patsy Ramsey's family lives in Georgia. As for the clothing--nothing exceptional to me there. When there have been family crises--there are other priorities.
My aunt died that year, at Christmas. We were sitting in hospital waiting rooms while she was on life support. Jon Benet Ramsey's murder was a tragic loss but my aunt was more important to me.
The parents were involved in some way. There were no footprints in the snow-remember?
I guess these Atlanta folks didn't think of snow
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Agree 100%
Please!
Seems unlikely. Even if parents were covering for him would they go as far as strangling her post death etc??? I figure the father really most likely candidate. But, if he's innocent I concede it's terrible to suspect him.
