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Old 01-09-2024, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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The funny thing is, most of the ones that survive are in smaller cities like Helena or Charlottesville, Va.
The indoor mall was torn down and converted to mixed use. Mostly commercial space. The walking mall has fared really well. We were at the Rialto bar Friday night for a friends birthday celebration. The mall was hopping after 6pm.
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Old 01-09-2024, 07:39 PM
 
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What is a "walking mall"; you mean a previously traffic street converted to pedestrian use?

No protection from the weather there, so there's probably not much "walking in the rain"...
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Old 01-09-2024, 08:58 PM
 
Location: PNW
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I think they mean "outdoor mall." These are malls where you get entrance to each store from outdoors (not some massive building where you are under cover).

There's also "mall walking" where they open up an indoor mall for seniors to walk in during the morning before the mall is open.

Gosh been a long time since I set foot in any mall.
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Old 01-09-2024, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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I think they mean "outdoor mall." These are malls where you get entrance to each store from outdoors (not some massive building where you are under cover).

There's also "mall walking" where they open up an indoor mall for seniors to walk in during the morning before the mall is open.

Gosh been a long time since I set foot in any mall.
Actually, Theerun was talking about a pedestrianized street, not a mall as you're using the term.

These are downtown Main Streets that were closed to vehicles and given over to pedestrians; these are also often called "malls" but aren't built from scratch, stores and all. If you look at the pictures Theerun posted a few posts upthread, it should be clear that this is what Helena has, not a "mall" as you're using the term.
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Old 01-09-2024, 11:22 PM
 
Location: PNW
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Actually, Theerun was talking about a pedestrianized street, not a mall as you're using the term.

These are downtown Main Streets that were closed to vehicles and given over to pedestrians; these are also often called "malls" but aren't built from scratch, stores and all. If you look at the pictures Theerun posted a few posts upthread, it should be clear that this is what Helena has, not a "mall" as you're using the term.
Yeah, an outdoor mall is different than a downtown area.
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Old 01-10-2024, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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Yeah, an outdoor mall is different than a downtown area.
And I suspect that the outdoor malls you have in mind are the newer ersatz-Main-Street ones like Main Street at Exton outside Philadelphia.

(The silo you see at the end of the street in the Google Street View I posted is not attached to a barn. I don't know whether it was already standing on the site when the mall was built, but it now marks the entrance to a Walmart.)

At least this ersatz Main Street includes some buildings with apartments over the stores. I've seen a few of these that don't even have those.
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Old 01-10-2024, 08:07 AM
 
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And I suspect that the outdoor malls you have in mind are the newer ersatz-Main-Street ones like Main Street at Exton outside Philadelphia.

(The silo you see at the end of the street in the Google Street View I posted is not attached to a barn. I don't know whether it was already standing on the site when the mall was built, but it now marks the entrance to a Walmart.)

At least this ersatz Main Street includes some buildings with apartments over the stores. I've seen a few of these that don't even have those.

No, more like an outdoor mall in Palo Alto or the one in Walnut Creek. The general area was my stomping ground for 15 years.
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Old 01-10-2024, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Sunnybrook Farm
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Well, I'll be honest, I'm not following the detailed differences between "Main street shopping district with stores along the street, closed to autos" and "purpose built place with stores organized along streets, closed to autos" but I will point out that what seems reasonable in a place like Palo Alto will be found a whole lot less popular when you try to induce folks to walk around outside in Texas in August when the sidewalks are approaching the temperature of the sun's surface, or Duluth in February when it's -20 and blowing with 30 mph winds.
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Old 01-10-2024, 08:26 AM
 
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Well, I'll be honest, I'm not following the detailed differences between "Main street shopping district with stores along the street, closed to autos" and "purpose built place with stores organized along streets, closed to autos" but I will point out that what seems reasonable in a place like Palo Alto will be found a whole lot less popular when you try to induce folks to walk around outside in Texas in August when the sidewalks are approaching the temperature of the sun's surface, or Duluth in February when it's -20 and blowing with 30 mph winds.

Yes, they are where they are for a reason.

One time I lived in Texas for nine months. Ugh! Tornadoes, cockroaches, bugs in general... torrential downpours every afternoon. mugginess. Just no thanks.

I did Alaska in the 80's and I'm not doing Duluth.

I am at the 45th parallel and we have a temperate climate that is 85% of the time between 45 degrees and 85 degrees (and boy does 80 degrees feel hot here).
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Old 01-10-2024, 08:42 AM
 
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Yeah, indoor malls were pretty darned practical when it comes to weather. Not sure why or how they fell into disfavor.
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