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Bro I live in St. Pete Beach around 1 degree average coldest month of being tropical climate, there is dormancy though not for long.
Yes, January in St. Petersburg Albert Whitted Airport (right on Tampa Bay so should represent St. Pete Beach pretty well) averages 21/13C. Just 1C short of being tropical.
I wish they had weather stations at Fort DeSoto Park or Egmont Key National Wildlife Refuge. Those might well be tropical and have similar cold extremes to even Miami Airport in the urban heat island, considering even Albert Whitted is not as far off from Miami Airport as one might think.
No, it has more, yet is clearly a much better example of a Cfa/erroneously-called subtropical climate than tropical South Florida. Which is, as I literally just said, why "the less cold season adaptation, the more subtropical an environment" is nonsense.
Done!
Classification is irrelevant. The ecology is the ecology, and subtropical is far better to describe the non linear progressions of ecosystems related to cold>>>hot.
No, but then you don't seem to understand the concept of a sub tropical environment either. Keeping it simple for you, the less cold season adaptation, the more subtropical an environment.
What a bunch of pseudoscientific crap lol, "oh muh subtropical environment".
Subtropical climates(Cfa, Cwa, Csa, ect) by definition have a cooler season in contrast to tropical climates, your definition of "subtropical" is just a damn tropical climate.
What a bunch of pseudoscientific crap lol, "oh muh subtropical environment".
Subtropical climates(Cfa, Cwa, Csa, ect) by definition have a cooler season in contrast to tropical climates, your definition of "subtropical" is just a damn tropical climate.
EXACTLY!!!
It's comments like this that make me wish the reputation feature wasn't as limited as it is.
It's comments like this that make me wish the reputation feature wasn't as limited as it is.
He's just lying, it's lies on top of lies, his definition of "winter dormancy" must be extremely lenient, even here I notice palmettos and butias don't grow much fronds during the winter and the winters here are warmer in average lows, daily averages, average highs, and max temps yet by sandshark's logic those same plants would be putting out continuous growth in Motueka's colder winters.
There's some level of winter activity and growth with some plants here but I would never say we experience no winter dormancy.
He's just lying, it's lies on top of lies, his definition of "winter dormancy" must be extremely lenient, even here I notice palmettos and butias don't grow much fronds during the winter and the winters here are warmer in average lows, daily averages, average highs, and max temps yet by sandshark's logic those same plants would be putting out continuous growth in Motueka's colder winters.
There's some level of winter activity and growth with some plants here but I would never say we experience no winter dormancy.
I'd love to see what he says about your on-the-ground-experience demolishing what he's been saying. Lol.
He's just lying, it's lies on top of lies, his definition of "winter dormancy" must be extremely lenient, even here I notice palmettos and butias don't grow much fronds during the winter and the winters here are warmer in average lows, daily averages, average highs, and max temps yet by sandshark's logic those same plants would be putting out continuous growth in Motueka's colder winters.
There's some level of winter activity and growth with some plants here but I would never say we experience no winter dormancy.
Aren't we talking about the native ecosystem? The native environment here doesn't have any dormancy for vegetation, and is rare with regards to insect, fish, lizards etc. Winter is still a time of crickets, bees, frogs and flowering plants, just less so than summer.
I don't know much about sabals, as thy are virtually unknown in nz, but I see water availability as the biggest impediment. The sabal minor has grown during winter. Butias, queens etc are said to not grow during winter, but I'm pretty sure they do.
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What a bunch of pseudoscientific crap lol, "oh muh subtropical environment".
Subtropical climates(Cfa, Cwa, Csa, ect) by definition have a cooler season in contrast to tropical climates, your definition of "subtropical" is just a damn tropical climate.
The pseudo science is trying to overlay artificial classification over a natural world that follows it's own rules.
There is only the ecology and how active it is over the year due to the climate. Summer heat is relevant just as winter cold is, but overall I don't see that summer heat allows an ecosystem to be as active over the year, as a warmer winter.
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I'd love to see what he says about your on-the-ground-experience demolishing what he's been saying. Lol.
Sabals aren't grown in nz, so not relevant. Butias and queens (which don't really survive in north carolina) seem to inch along during winter.
My on the ground experience includes citrus that don't require protection, or maybe a tasty mid winter tree tomato, something north carolina wouldn't know about.
Yes, January in St. Petersburg Albert Whitted Airport (right on Tampa Bay so should represent St. Pete Beach pretty well) averages 21/13C. Just 1C short of being tropical.
I wish they had weather stations at Fort DeSoto Park or Egmont Key National Wildlife Refuge. Those might well be tropical and have similar cold extremes to even Miami Airport in the urban heat island, considering even Albert Whitted is not as far off from Miami Airport as one might think.
It is spring right now and it is like NZ’s winters, though next will be warmer than NZ’s summers. It is nearly tropical here, I live in St. Petersburg climatepolice48 in St. Pete Beach, we are the nearly tropical pals right now.
No point in trying to capturing climate, as that will always be inferior to stats.
Koppen does pretty well imo, and Trewartha does from a different angle.
Still doesn't describe the climate though. My climate is cool oceanic, but so is invercargill where I lived for six years. I don't regard the two places as having a similar climate.
Well at least it gives an idea of why NZ grows such things while being oceanic. It’s the closest I can adapt climate classification to describe some ecological differences.
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